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Old 07-05-2008, 05:06 PM
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Samson's power wasn't in his hair, it was in the anointing of God that manifested itself in his great strength.
Cut the hair & you lose an anointing.

A women's uncut hair is a symbol of her consecration to God & her submission,
the power isn't in the hair.

The power is in the anointing!
For some one is vehemently against magic hair doctrine you do a lot apologizing for it.
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Old 07-05-2008, 05:07 PM
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Samson's power wasn't in his hair, it was in the anointing of God that manifested itself in his great strength.
Cut the hair & you lose an anointing.

A women's uncut hair is a symbol of her consecration to God & her submission,
the power isn't in the hair.

The power is in the anointing!
So, are you saying that this principle of Samson's uncut hair still exists today for all believers, Ron?
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Can you show us where the bible teaches uncut hair manifests the power of God?

It's usually by faith In Christ, but if some are saying it's also by a woman having long uncut hair this is counter to the idea of faith in Christ
it is obvious that a woman with long hair that is also in compliance with the rest of scripture is going to have more of the presence of God than a woman who is not in compliance with scripture. it has to do with obedience and long hair is a requirement for women as short hair is for men. Have you ever seen a long haired man that was annointed?
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If replacing the power and authority of the Spirit of God and His name ...

the infallibility of the Word of God and idolatry are no longer core doctrine and as important as His shed blood ...

then you may have a point.
DA I just can't see how you guys can be so scornful at the idea that hair does actually matter when it is clear in the passages that it does have some significance. I think that it just muddies the water when you say that discussing the significance of hair replaces the power and authority of the Spirit of God and His name. I think that that would be akin to someone discussing the significance of tongues since for some reason the Bible makes tongues a significant natural symbol with very clear spiritual implications...and being accused of replacing tongues with those things.
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it is obvious that a woman with long hair that is also in compliance with the rest of scripture is going to have more of the presence of God than a woman who is not in compliance with scripture. it has to do with obedience and long hair is a requirement for women as short hair is for men. Have you ever seen a long haired man that was annointed?
Samson.

and other men w/ long beards .. and keepers of the Nazarite vow.

The rest of this post tells me that performance is everything to you ... and leaving no room for unmerited favor ... or grace.
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Seriously....even if we ALL can agree that women should have uncut hair there is nothing whatsoever about manifesting the Spirit of God by her hair.

There is not a single instance of a woman using her hair for any reason other than to wipe the feet of Jesus..

The bible says call for the elders to pray over you...never call for the woman to lay their hair on you.

Where is that? WHERE? That implies that God has fused supernatural power within their hair....why lay hands on anymore? Just get the ladies long hair. That is scary that we can allow such doctrines and not oppose them. False doctrines breed false doctrines. A Theology not based entirely on the word of God is subject to such extremes and open to many other kinds of false doctrines...We got not the Yahwehists..we got people saying the name of Jesus in greek means a pig and is related to Zeus and that we HAVE to use the hebrew name only. We got people denying Jesus was really our kinsman redeemr (heavenly flesh) and you can't see why it's important to stop these things and nip them at the bud????

1 verse! 1 VERSE! Just ONE verse they have built a doctrine where by some can even be cursed I take it if you don't follow along, whereby a woman has power WITH angels (men don't I guess), their family is protected (if you are a single man you are in deep trouble) and that they can drop their hair from their bun and summon the presence of God! WOW! We've been worshiping and waiting on the Lord when all along all we had to do was have our ladies let their hair down and summon the manifestation of the Spirit!

And all this time oil and laying on hands for healing when all we needed was uncut hair! That does not trouble some of us??? That troubles me tremendously!

The Israelites also stumbled thinking there was some power with in Aarons rod that budded.
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Praxeas ... a similar remark holds good of the ephod made by Gideon, and which became an object of idolatrous worship in Israel (Judges 8:27).
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DA I just can't see how you guys can be so scornful at the idea that hair does actually matter when it is clear in the passages that it does have some significance. I think that it just muddies the water when you say that discussing the significance of hair replaces the power and authority of the Spirit of God and His name. I think that that would be akin to someone discussing the significance of tongues since for some reason the Bible makes tongues a significant natural symbol with very clear spiritual implications...and being accused of replacing tongues with those things.
There is not one think in the bible that says the uncut hair of a woman has power IN it..supernatural power and power over angels.

DA is not saying what you just said. There is a specific doctrine, not about women should have long uncut hair, BUT that a womans uncut hair gives her POWER..supernatural power and power OVER angels and gives her and her family special protection...not because of faith in Christ...not because of obedience....but because she did not cut her hair. That is unbiblical
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Praxeas ... a similar remark holds good of the ephod made by Gideon, and which became an object of idolatrous worship in Israel (Judges 8:27).
Right...

This is not about UPC bashing. I am UPC...I find this doctrine to be dangerous besides unbiblical and so do other UPCers more conservative than I am.
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DA is not saying what you just said. There is a specific doctrine, not about women should have long uncut hair, BUT that a womans uncut hair gives her POWER..supernatural power and power OVER angels and gives her and her family special protection...not because of faith in Christ...not because of obedience....but because she did not cut her hair. That is unbiblical
This is what's being said... and apologizing for it using occult writings and testimonials glorifying hair and power w angels.
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