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Old 07-04-2008, 11:09 PM
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Re: Bloggers & Readers Wanted: HolyMagicHair.com

I think my position has been clear. I do not believe in a magic hair doctrine though. Daniel, I think you have better things to do with your time. I do question your motives here though. I mean, does it bother you that bad? If so, you might ask yourself that question a few times. Why does it really bother you?
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Old 07-05-2008, 12:31 AM
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Things like this usually bother a person when they are young and see someone they hold in high esteem privately sin. They cannot reconcile the sin with the person with heaven/hell and it bothers them the rest of their life.
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Old 07-05-2008, 12:51 AM
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I understand Daniel to a certain point. I don't question his motives as much as I do his relatibility on certain subjects. I don't think all that is in his heart and mind comes in as well in the written word on this forum, whereas it probably does when he speaks to others. I do believe he has a passion for Jesus and it's hard for him to be silent when he sees and hears things that he feels are contrary to the Word of God. In his fervor, sometimes quick little jabs are easier than taking time to write what he feels in his heart. If I am wrong I am sure he will tell me. I pray for him and sometimes I just wanna hug him.

And he is not the only one of us that have this problem.
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Old 07-05-2008, 02:02 AM
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Re: Bloggers & Readers Wanted: HolyMagicHair.com

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I understand Daniel to a certain point. I don't question his motives as much as I do his relatibility on certain subjects. I don't think all that is in his heart and mind comes in as well in the written word on this forum, whereas it probably does when he speaks to others. I do believe he has a passion for Jesus and it's hard for him to be silent when he sees and hears things that he feels are contrary to the Word of God. In his fervor, sometimes quick little jabs are easier than taking time to write what he feels in his heart. If I am wrong I am sure he will tell me. I pray for him and sometimes I just wanna hug him.

And he is not the only one of us that have this problem.
Cindy if you are wrong on this point then so am I. :-)
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Old 07-05-2008, 02:41 AM
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Re: Bloggers & Readers Wanted: HolyMagicHair.com

The consensus is that no one can state they are 100% sure of its meaning. By far the majority ascribe whether the angels would take offense at the women not showing submission.

Definitions of angels run the gamut though from outside spies, literal angels, bishops of the church, single young men among others.

HOWEVER NOT ONE SINGLE SCHOLAR comes close to the meaning suggested in the holy hair doctrine. And it would take several pages of posts to fully delve into the meaning of 1 Corinthians chapter 11, which would of course not easily lend itself to discussion in a forum format.


Following is a brief summary from a few of the leading Bible commentators on 1Cor 11:10:


People's New Testament

11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head. She ought to have on her head the veil, the badge of submission to authority.
Because of the angels. This clause has puzzled the critics. The idea probably is: There should be no violation of decorum, such as a bareheaded woman in a public assembly would be, lest it offend the ministering angels which are always present, though unseen.

Wesley's Notes
11:10 For this cause also a woman ought to be veiled in the public assemblies, because of the angels - Who attend there, and before whom they should be careful not to do anything indecent or irregular.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
10. power on her head-the kerchief: French couvre chef, head-covering, the emblem of "power on her head"; the sign of her being under man's power, and exercising delegated authority under him. Paul had before his mind the root-connection between the Hebrew terms for "veil" (radid), and "subjection" (radad).
because of the angels-who are present at our Christian assemblies (compare Ps 138:1, "gods," that is, angels), and delight in the orderly subordination of the several ranks of God's worshippers in their respective places, the outward demeanor and dress of the latter being indicative of that inward humility which angels know to be most pleasing to their common Lord (1Co 4:9; Eph 3:10; Ec 5:6). Hammond quotes Chrysostom, "Thou standest with angels; thou singest with them; thou hymnest with them; and yet dost thou stand laughing?" Bengel explains, "As the angels are in relation to God, so the woman is in relation to man. God's face is uncovered; angels in His presence are veiled (Isa 6:2). Man's face is uncovered; woman in His presence is to be veiled. For her not to be so, would, by its indecorousness, offend the angels (Mt 18:10, 31). She, by her weakness, especially needs their ministry; she ought, therefore, to be the more careful not to offend them."

Matthew Henry's Whole Bible Commentary
Thus would the apostle have the women appear In Christian assemblies, even though they spoke there by inspiration, because of the angels, that is, say some, because of the evil angels. The woman was first in the transgression, being deceived by the devil (1 Tim. 2:14), which increased her subjection to man, Gen. 3:16. Now, believe evil angels will be sure to mix in all Christian assemblies, therefore should women wear the token of their shamefacedness and subjection, which in that age and country, was a veil. Others say because of the good angels. Jews and Christians have had an opinion that these ministering spirits are many of them present in their assemblies. Their presence should restrain Christians from all indecencies in the worship of God. Note, We should learn from all to behave in the public assemblies of divine worship so as to express a reverence for God, and a content and satisfaction with that rank in which he has placed us.

Barnes' Notes on the New Testament- (Extremely abbreviated)
Because of the angels. Some have explained this of good angels who were supposed to be present in their assemblies, (see Doddridge) others refer it to evil angels; and others to messengers or spies who, it has been supposed, were present in their public assemblies, and who would report greatly to the disadvantage of the Christian assemblies if the women were seen to be unveiled. I do not know what it means; and I regard it as one of the very few passages in the Bible whose meaning as yet is wholly inexplicable. The most natural interpretation seems to me to be this: "A woman in the public assemblies, and in speaking in the presence of men, should wear a veil--the usual symbol of modesty and subordination --because the angels of God are witnesses of your public worship, (Hebrews 1:14,) and because they know and appreciate the propriety of subordination and order in public assemblies." According to this, it would mean that the simple reason would be that the angels were witnesses of their worship; and that they were the friends of propriety, due subordination, and order; and that they ought to observe these in all assemblies convened for the worship of God.
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Old 07-05-2008, 06:32 AM
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I have no dog in this fight... my wife doesn't cut her hair, case closed,, she and I both feel very comfortable with that.. However, if she wanted layer her hair or cut off the dead ends.... she would never hear one word from me about it.. as long as the length is not touched... but here is my question....

Can we not learn from nature? I mean just look at how God created the two sexes..... PREDOMNANTLY women can grow hair to their feet if it remains uncut.. or they can grow it substantially more than a man can..... and for men its just not the case... I have seen men with long hair VERY FEW and VERY RARE but even then not much past the shoulders.... never to their knees or their feet....... does this NATURE LESSON not cause one to pause and wonder WHY WOULD GOD cause a womans hair to grow long NATURALLY if this was not his desire for woman?

I can let my hair go uncut for months and it might finally touch my shoulders but it is not naturally inclined to grow as my wifes will......

Is there no place here for NATURE to teach us?
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Old 07-05-2008, 07:49 AM
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Re: Bloggers & Readers Wanted: HolyMagicHair.com

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I have no dog in this fight... my wife doesn't cut her hair, case closed,, she and I both feel very comfortable with that.. However, if she wanted layer her hair or cut off the dead ends.... she would never hear one word from me about it.. as long as the length is not touched... but here is my question....

Can we not learn from nature? I mean just look at how God created the two sexes..... PREDOMNANTLY women can grow hair to their feet if it remains uncut.. or they can grow it substantially more than a man can..... and for men its just not the case... I have seen men with long hair VERY FEW and VERY RARE but even then not much past the shoulders.... never to their knees or their feet....... does this NATURE LESSON not cause one to pause and wonder WHY WOULD GOD cause a womans hair to grow long NATURALLY if this was not his desire for woman?

I can let my hair go uncut for months and it might finally touch my shoulders but it is not naturally inclined to grow as my wifes will......

Is there no place here for NATURE to teach us?
You have a very good point. Males also tend to go bald as females don't. Sometimes you will see a lady with male pattern baldness, but that is not the norm like it is for men. I've also seen old hippy guys with uncut hair and it seems to have a stopping point that is not too long.

One the other hand, I have seen some young guys with the most beautiful head of long hair that has made me envious!
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Old 07-05-2008, 12:30 PM
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I have no dog in this fight... my wife doesn't cut her hair, case closed,, she and I both feel very comfortable with that.. However, if she wanted layer her hair or cut off the dead ends.... she would never hear one word from me about it.. as long as the length is not touched... but here is my question....

Can we not learn from nature? I mean just look at how God created the two sexes..... PREDOMNANTLY women can grow hair to their feet if it remains uncut.. or they can grow it substantially more than a man can..... and for men its just not the case... I have seen men with long hair VERY FEW and VERY RARE but even then not much past the shoulders.... never to their knees or their feet....... does this NATURE LESSON not cause one to pause and wonder WHY WOULD GOD cause a womans hair to grow long NATURALLY if this was not his desire for woman?

I can let my hair go uncut for months and it might finally touch my shoulders but it is not naturally inclined to grow as my wifes will......

Is there no place here for NATURE to teach us?
You have a interesting point.
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Old 07-05-2008, 01:09 PM
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Purpose of Holy Magic Hair Blog: Heretical Doctrine

"For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels." - 1 Corinthians 11:10

For years, some Christians, predominantly conservative Baptists, Methodists and Pentecostals, have asserted that the Bible teaches that a woman should not cut her hair. Most born-again Christians believe to the contrary. This debate is based on a passage in 1 Corinthians 11. There are compelling and convincing interpretations on both sides of this issue.

In recent years,however, a dangerous heretical doctrine has emerged claiming that an added reason why a woman's hair should not be cut is because it gives her power with angels citing 1 Corinthians 11:10. Proponents teach that a supernatural power and authority is bestowed by her obedience in not cutting her hair. Some claim this directly results in angelic protection, miracles,healings, special revelation, God's favor and blessing in their loves ... and even can affect one's salvation. Sadly, occult writings are offered up as substantiation for this paradigm.

This blog is an effort to uncover the untruths of this dangerous heretical doctrine that replaces Jesus and the power of God's sovereign Spirit with hair and legalism. We seek only to warn the Body of Christ of this teaching and not to undermine God's call on the lives of those who teach or believe this doctrine. Believers on both sides of the hair issue stand against this extrabiblical heresy.

We also hope to share studies on both sides of the hair issue for our readers.
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We invite you to read the blog articles that are forthcoming. You will be able to comment about the blogs. These comments will be heavily moderated.

We are also actively seeking bloggers who are willing to donate the talents and time to writing articles on this issue.

Bloggers must commit to not personally attacking the teachers and believers of this doctrine ... but rather help uncover the errors of this doctrine.

Articles should share biblical principles and personal insights about this doctrine in question and the hair issue in general --- by sharing the truth in love.

If you are interested in becoming a blogger for this effort please PM me.

Thank you.


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I want to hear testimonies of the ladies on this thread where their uncut hair has brought them a miracle.

Stand up and show yourself approved.
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Old 07-05-2008, 02:16 PM
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You have a interesting point.
Bro. Ron, didn't Paul happen to use the same argument... Doth not even nature itself teach us? I didn't think of that until my earlier post.... but I truly believe that nature teaches us sooo many things... for example nature teaches about the Ressurection.... all plant life dies in the winter but as soon as the SUN shines upon it, that life will ressurect...... there are sooo many things that nature teaches us.... God created a womans hair totally different than a mans head of hair... Why would we alter that creation?
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