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06-22-2008, 07:16 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Do you think they were aware they were like this? The articles seem to suggest that at some point they loose touch with reality and don't realize they are lying anymore because they lie to themselves
Spiritually speaking I find this to be a very dangerous position to be in
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No, not after a certain amount of time, their mind is just different. I believe he is not able to distinguish between a lie and the truth, or right from wrong.
I don't think he was born that way, but that circumstances and environment contributed to it.
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I was married to a pathological liar, and he definitely became that way during a series of traumatic events. The death of a parent at a young age, the desire to please and not upset people after that, and the use of drugs to escape from his reality. It really is tragic to me, but the problem is, that after a while, it really does become a way of life.
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06-22-2008, 07:19 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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Or the carnal nature, like all sin
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Is that something different from genes? Do we have chromosomes for lying, murder, idolatry, pride?
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06-23-2008, 07:37 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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Is that something different from genes? Do we have chromosomes for lying, murder, idolatry, pride?
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Those are probably learned traits
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06-23-2008, 07:37 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
or behaviors
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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06-23-2008, 07:43 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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or behaviors
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Cain? who taught Cain to murder?
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06-23-2008, 07:45 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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Cain? who taught Cain to murder?
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Dunno, but how can it be genetic?
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06-23-2008, 07:45 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
Cain was cutting edge. Innovative. He failed to listen to his elders I guess.
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06-23-2008, 07:49 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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Dunno, but how can it be genetic?
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I'm not saying it is genetic. Why do you ask me that?
I'm saying it is a work of the flesh that is instigated by the tempter. I give the enemy his due for being the persistent one that he is.
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06-23-2008, 07:52 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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Cain was cutting edge. Innovative. He failed to listen to his elders I guess.
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No, Cain was of that wicked one.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. 1 John 3:12
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06-23-2008, 08:01 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
I use to have a quote from on my signature from Francis Bacon. He eloquently said that when someone lies -- he or she goes boldly before God and shrieks before man. I believe we lie because in that moment we fear that person more than we fear God.
But then there is the pesky lie of Rahab and she was even later counted righteous.
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