Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minister

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by Bobbys

The PAW and the UPC are in biblical error. When ever you hear a church say its ok to wear what ever you want and /or you can wear JEWLERY, its in error. 1Timothy 2:9-10 and 1Peter 3:3-4 is right in the bible, and not going anywhere. So, the PAW and the UPC are both going to hell, if they don't obey the bible

Wow

So I guess Joseph is going to hell and Daniel too?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

This was done during BOTT and it was strictly on leadership principles. There was never any doctrinal issues discussed.

However, they have never preached to his congregation.

I understand - I really do, but I am saying there is no difference.

I think there is no problem having Trinitarians speak/preach. Of course as you stated, I would not expect any controversial "doctrine" being preached.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

MANY years ago, my UPC member pastor os our independent church, had the Roy Knight Singers come and sing for our congregation.

Their major song was "Wrapped Up, Tied Up, Tangled All Up in Jesus". Great song, Oneness people shouting all over the place despite the second verse.

"After I got salvation, I wanted a little bit more, so I got down on my knees, and began to seek the Lord. I knew the Holy Spirit, and I prayed for Him to come, before I knew it, I found myself speaking in unknown tongues."

Did the person get salvation before they spoke in tongues??????

Well, if you are a one-stepper Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal you have no problem with those words.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Bobbys

The PAW and the UPC are in biblical error. When ever you hear a church say its ok to wear what ever you want and /or you can wear JEWLERY, its in error. 1Timothy 2:9-10 and 1Peter 3:3-4 is right in the bible, and not going anywhere. So, the PAW and the UPC are both going to hell, if they don't obey the bible

So a necklace is wrong if it is made of gold, silver, pewter, plastic, coral,
diamonds, pearls, brass or whatever material except cloth, but if it is made of cloth and called a "necktie" then it is OK?

I'm writing to respond to other comments I have just seen. One mentioned Joseph and Daniel must be going to hell then. Joseph and Daniel were not in the church, and was NOT under the New Testament law. Its two different dispensations, and two different laws. Somethings from the old testament continued through to the new testament, but the new testament CLEARLY CONDEMNS JEWLERY 1Timothy 2:9-10 and 1Peter 3:3-4, so why be a hypocrite about it and try to condone wearing jewlery? Now for the next question. A neck tie is NOT jewlery, its CLOTHING. Why be a hypocrite? You know the difference. Lets see you go to a jewlery store and say can I have a neck tie of cloth, and see if they don't look at you like your crazy. Just do what the bible say and what I say, and pull OFF the jewlery.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Yeah, God forbid that a oneness pastor would have one o' them "heathern" devilish, unsaved, tongue talkin' trinnies in their pulpit. God would condemn the man, I tell you! Banish him from the promised land! Take away his inheritance! Destroy his church! And a host of other things that he would deserve from such a dastardly deed!!!

Well MoW, your off-base and over-the-top response doesn't surprise me at all.
The term "doctrinal compromise" seems to mean little to you. Very sad.

Anyway... Carry on, bro.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Bobbys

I'm writing to respond to other comments I have just seen. One mentioned Joseph and Daniel must be going to hell then. Joseph and Daniel were not in the church, and was NOT under the New Testament law. Its two different dispensations, and two different laws. Somethings from the old testament continued through to the new testament, but the new testament CLEARLY CONDEMNS JEWLERY 1Timothy 2:9-10 and 1Peter 3:3-4, so why be a hypocrite about it and try to condone wearing jewlery? Now for the next question. A neck tie is NOT jewlery, its CLOTHING. Why be a hypocrite? You know the difference. Lets see you go to a jewlery store and say can I have a neck tie of cloth, and see if they don't look at you like your crazy. Just do what the bible say and what I say, and pull OFF the jewlery.

I agree by the way have you ever heard of Bishop S. C. Johnson?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Bobbys

I'm writing to respond to other comments I have just seen. One mentioned Joseph and Daniel must be going to hell then. Joseph and Daniel were not in the church, and was NOT under the New Testament law. Its two different dispensations, and two different laws. Somethings from the old testament continued through to the new testament, but the new testament CLEARLY CONDEMNS JEWLERY 1Timothy 2:9-10 and 1Peter 3:3-4, so why be a hypocrite about it and try to condone wearing jewlery? Now for the next question. A neck tie is NOT jewlery, its CLOTHING. Why be a hypocrite? You know the difference. Lets see you go to a jewlery store and say can I have a neck tie of cloth, and see if they don't look at you like your crazy. Just do what the bible say and what I say, and pull OFF the jewlery.

No it's not jewelry ..you are corrrect it is apparrel ...which the same verse commands not to be worn.

Bobby boy....you are so tangled up in idealogy that it's unlikely you could ever understand theology.

Like the PAW preacher told Carp....."you need delivered from that"

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Bobbys

The PAW and the UPC are in biblical error. When ever you hear a church say its ok to wear what ever you want and /or you can wear JEWLERY, its in error. 1Timothy 2:9-10 and 1Peter 3:3-4 is right in the bible, and not going anywhere. So, the PAW and the UPC are both going to hell, if they don't obey the bible

Does your pastor wear bow ties and smashed a statue of Mary?

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

From Wikpedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penteco...s_of_the_World

Really it has everything you wanted to know.

The Pentecostal Assemblies of The World, Inc. (PAW) is the oldest Oneness Pentecostal organization in existence, and was founded in 1906, formally organized in 1912 as adherents of trinitarian beliefs, and in 1916 re-organized as a Oneness Pentecostal organization...

As I was speaking with this gentlemen, meeting some very fine folks going in and out of the church, I realized they do not embrace, nor do they believe they are biblical, the social and cultural standards the UPC embraces.

This man told me the PAW believes the doctrine, but that all the trappings of legalism and mandated holiness was pretty much sin.

They believe the exact same thing as the UPC does in terms of baptism, speaking in tongues and salvation, and I told him this, most UPC and/or ultraconservative apostolic individual would say your women are not saved.

He really liked that one. He said y'all need to be delivered from that.

So do you partake in elitist UPC bashing propaganda every day?

It sickens me how one sided people's views are. I have been to one church that rudely judgmental and UPC, it will remain unnamed.