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Old 09-09-2008, 10:28 PM
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Deep study is not beyond anyone since anyone can get into the Spirit and delve into the deep things of God!
I agree. There are just other deep things I would rather study.
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:17 AM
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Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

This simply means that we will not know all the mysteries of God. The Bible is a living Word of God. The mystery and revelation of it is continually evolving as God reveals it to us.
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:52 AM
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Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

This simply means that we will not know all the mysteries of God. The Bible is a living Word of God. The mystery and revelation of it is continually evolving as God reveals it to us.
True for Daniel's day, but not now.

You forgot to catch the folllow up provided in Revelation.

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Rev 22:10 KJV And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
John's day was obviously the time of the end, since the book was sealed til the time of the end. John was told to not seal. It is unsealed.
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I agree. There are just other deep things I would rather study.
God would rather us study all of it. I think we need to adjust our desires to what God would have us desire. My flesh likes a lot of things, but I cnanot let it have its way.

Why have Rev in the bible? An entire book!

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Rev 1:3 KJV Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

My opinion is tha if peple knew what it was REALLY speaking about, they would not dismiss it for other things. IOW, if someone dismisses something to lesser value in the Bible, there is something wrong with that they think it is about.
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Old 09-13-2008, 05:34 PM
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I am a newby here, but I am also a student of the Bible.

Revelation 13:16
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

ALL means ALL
From the time Adam was drove out from the Garden of Eden, we have all recevied the Mark.

The mark is Sin.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Job 7:20
I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?

It is not a literal mark, just as God set a mark against Cain in the book of Genesis, so that any who found him would know to kill him.
Only by repentance and the Baptism of Jesus Christ on our lives do we become overcomers of the mark.
We all received the mark, because we were all once like Adam, but now through the way of the cross we received the mark of Christ.
Hi,People from all these walks of life small and great, rich and poor, free and bond will receive the mark.NOT ALL PEOPLE. Other scripture shows us all will not receive the mark.

Rev.15
[2] And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
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[2] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
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[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
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[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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so you think you will have to literally receive a mark? if so, then how will ALL receive it.

And do you think that everything is literal in meaning? Is everything a natural interpretation, that we may not buy or sell. Who says to buy or sell with money.

"Religion" is selling anyone who will listen a Bill of goods that are worthless to the kingdom of God.
The mark is a person having the spirit of devils and worshiping satan.

Rev.13:[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
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