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06-15-2008, 08:19 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Aren't these stats of churches in the Western District ... not just affiliated.
Isn't your church in the WD?
Mark, why don't you care?
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I didn't say I don't care It's just not my problem
to deal with. I'm not too much into the politics of it all
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06-15-2008, 08:19 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Originally Posted by StMark
I'm not licensed. UPC is a minister's fellowship
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Do you care Mark about the loss of churches in the fellowship your church isn't affiliated with .. but your pastor possesses a fellowship card with?
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06-15-2008, 08:20 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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I didn't say I don't care It's just not my problem
to deal with. I'm not too much into the politics of it all
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Good thing FreeatLast ... cares.
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06-15-2008, 08:21 PM
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Pot Stirrer
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Do you care Mark about the loss of churches in the fellowship your church isn't affiliated with .. but your pastor possesses a fellowship card with?
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LOL! you are funny Dan.
The churches that left had really not been fellowshipping
in the UPC for a long time. they had their own camps and
meetings. I think it was best
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06-15-2008, 08:21 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
I don't know anything about the organization as a whole anymore; we've been gone for 17 years. But anytime a church or organization just "holds its own" and doesn't grow, something is wrong. There's a whole lost world out there!!! Any living thing will grow. I pray that the UPC will find out whatever it is that is needed to thrive and explode, as well as the individual churches in it.
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06-15-2008, 08:22 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Good thing FreeatLast ... cares.
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yea right
Dan, I think the focus should be on the local church
- that's just my opinion and that's where I put my efforts
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06-15-2008, 08:22 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Originally Posted by Sherri
I don't know anything about the organization as a whole anymore; we've been gone for 17 years. But anytime a church or organization just "holds its own" and doesn't grow, something is wrong. There's a whole lost world out there!!! Any living thing will grow. I pray that the UPC will find out whatever it is that is needed to thrive and explode, as well as the individual churches in it.
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Any casual observer would say the same thing ... and imagine if one truly cares.
Good post, Sherri.
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06-15-2008, 08:26 PM
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the ultracon
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Originally Posted by StMark
yea right
Dan, I think the focus should be on the local church
- that's just my opinion and that's where I put my efforts
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What's this Mark ? You don't think i care? I am cut to the quick ! 
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06-15-2008, 08:27 PM
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Jesus is the Christ
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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He truly believes the WWPF hasn't made a dent.... and that there is explosive growth ....
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I asked a missionary who is here on deputation and he said that it was only 80 churches -- not a big deal. I always considered Wilson's church quite influential myself.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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06-15-2008, 08:31 PM
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Jesus is the Christ
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Plus, the mothership is experiencing pretty flat numbers currently.
I wish we were experiencing explosive growth.
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Edward Demming, famous socialogist who turned Japan around, said that 80% of the problems could easily be attributed to leadership.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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