The Emasculating of Men and Masculation of Women

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Whew, don't read that too fast...........

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

But the men are to submit as well, to God. A lot of people leave that part out.
And if they are truly submitted to God their spirit is right. So there is no, I am the king of my domain with arrogance and force. It is with a loving spirit that you are my wife and I am your support (emotionally as well as monetarily) and protector, emotionally as well as physically.

I RARELY put my foot down and say there is no discussion. (Maybe 3-4 times in ten years).

But on those occasions when I do my wife accepts it, because she has learned through the years I would never do that unless I sincerely believed it best for her, not me.

True godly authority is rarely an issue in the home, church or anywhere else. It's is when abusive authority attempts to masquerade as godly authority

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Wild at Heart is excellent. I gave this to my soon to be son in law for Christmas and he read it all and told me he really thought it was appropriate for him to read.

Baron, sounds like you are doing it right! Throw a little instruction on how to treat a lady and you'll have some fine young men!

Oh, we work on that too. Holding doors, respect, shielding them from danger, etc. My pastor in Oregon was so big on this. When a lady would take the steps to the platform the young men were trained to escort her up.

Another thing we do is every morning we read a chapter from Proverbs (I am gone by the time he gets up) and he calls me and we talk about 2 or 3 of the verses and he also talks to me about the devotional he is reading. (Right now it’s the Purpose Driven Life). We usually go to breakfast together on Saturdays and we talk about Sports, politics, and usually a substantive issue as well...like girls.

He is far from perfect right now, he doesn't have a perfect instructor either. I would like to hear some input from other men about things the do to teach their boys.

[tamor]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

ever notice those signs they put up...SLOW..men working...

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Oh, we work on that too. Holding doors, respect, shielding them from danger, etc. My pastor in Oregon was so big on this. When a lady would take the steps to the platform the young men were trained to escort her up.

Another thing we do is every morning we read a chapter from Proverbs (I am gone by the time he gets up) and he calls me and we talk about 2 or 3 of the verses and he also talks to me about the devotional he is reading. (Right now it’s the Purpose Driven Life). We usually go to breakfast together on Saturdays and we talk about Sports, politics, and usually a substantive issue as well...like girls.

He is far from perfect right now, he doesn't have a perfect instructor either. I would like to hear some input from other men about things the do to teach their boys.

EXCELLENT!!! You sound like a very good dad!

[DividedThigh]

i think it is a shame that society has become so bungled and twisted that it is hard for a man to be a gentleman anymore even if he knows how, i take my hat off to the few remaining real men who know how to treat a lady, i am trying to do that myself, dt

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

i think it is a shame that society has become so bungled and twisted that it is hard for a man to be a gentleman anymore even if he knows how, i take my hat off to the few remaining real men who know how to treat a lady, i am trying to do that myself, dt

Which brings up a side issue dt.

I am a self-avowed chauvinist perhaps too old to change if I wanted to, but I know many younger men who have quit trying to be a "gentleman" because of women who have bitten their head off when they tried to be courteous and told them it was demeaning and they could take care of themselves.

Unfortunately with all the mixed signals is it no surprise that so many of our young men have given up in confusion.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Oh, we work on that too. Holding doors, respect, shielding them from danger, etc. My pastor in Oregon was so big on this. When a lady would take the steps to the platform the young men were trained to escort her up.

Another thing we do is every morning we read a chapter from Proverbs (I am gone by the time he gets up) and he calls me and we talk about 2 or 3 of the verses and he also talks to me about the devotional he is reading. (Right now it’s the Purpose Driven Life). We usually go to breakfast together on Saturdays and we talk about Sports, politics, and usually a substantive issue as well...like girls.

He is far from perfect right now, he doesn't have a perfect instructor either. I would like to hear some input from other men about things the do to teach their boys.

It sounds like you have a great relationship with your son.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Which brings up a side issue dt.

I am a self-avowed chauvinist perhaps too old to change if I wanted to, but I know many younger men who have quit trying to be a "gentleman" because of women who have bitten their head off when they tried to be courteous and told them it was demeaning and they could take care of themselves.

Unfortunately with all the mixed signals is it no surprise that so many of our young men have given up in confusion.

Sad indeed.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

I RARELY put my foot down and say there is no discussion. (Maybe 3-4 times in ten years).

But on those occasions when I do my wife accepts it, because she has learned through the years I would never do that unless I sincerely believed it best for her, not me.

True godly authority is rarely an issue in the home, church or anywhere else. It's is when abusive authority attempts to masquerade as godly authority

Jim, This is aboslutely true...unfortunately, just as abuse as a child casts a shadow on the person as an adult, abusive spiritual authority causes years of ramifications. I am a case in point.

I try really hard to submit to Pastoral authority and when in a relationship with a man/his authority but it is often marred by paranoia and distrust.

People tell me they love me but I don't believe them nor trust them for the most part...right down to my own family. That is why I stay in therapy

Blessings, Rhoni