TD Jakes on the Godhead

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I wonder does Bishop Jakes believe in the eternal sonship doctrine?

You'll probably find Hoffa's body before you'd get that answer, brother.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I believe in one God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe these three have distinct and separate functions—so separate that each has individual attributes, yet are one. I do not believe in three Gods.

From time to time I see Christians make this statement but it is clear they have no idea what they are talking about. He says 'these three', but the question is three what?!?! What are they? He later says "manifestations", but what does that mean? He says this is not the same as modalism...so he does not mean manifestation in the same way a modalist would...

And then he says "....yet are one".. yet are one What?? What does that mean? Are they one person? Are they one thing? Are they one in essence and being or are they simply one in unity like the states of America are one nation?

I agree if he states this, " believe these three have distinct and separate functions", If he is talking about manifestations as distinct they have to be attribues not of one but of more than one. So if these functions-manifestations are distinct in function. Then he is breaking the God-head into 3 personalities not 3 manifestations of one.

If sounds like to the casual Oneness fan and the casual Trinity fan he saying it how each thinks they believe it.

He would have a hard time talking to me.......

[South of I 90]

Originally Posted by CC1

Elder Epley,

I have never had the problems with trinitarians that most OP's do. I believe our view of the Godhead is more accurate but I don't think they are worshipping "3 gods" or a "fasle god" etc.

The trinitarian view is quite clear that they believe in monotheism and one God. OP's just don't agree with the extent to which they give seperate personalities to each component making up God.

For example I think a person can quite clearly see that the New Testament example of water baptism is in the name of Jesus while still being a trinitarian.

Am I comfortable with the trinitarian view of God? NO! I have sat in services where a prayer sounds like an organizational chart as they ask Jesus to talk to God the Father, etc, etc.

However I have also seen OP's be afraid of verbage that they think seperates God when that same verbage is directly in the New Testament. Many times from the mouth of Jesus himself as he talks about the Father.

Good post CC1,

I'm sure there are some acid trinitarians that believe when we get to Heaven, there will be a 3 way conversation happening at the throne. However, I've yet to run into any of them.

[South of I 90]

Originally Posted by CC1

(BTW channel surfing a couple of days ago and saw Steve Munsey. He looks awful. I wonder what happened to his face.)

I think his plastic surgeon was using a butter knife on his last visit!!

[Warmbee]

I was talking to a lady at my job and asked her did she believe that Jesus is God, she said yes, but that she didn't believe the Holy Ghost was God.... Thought that one was kinda wierd cause even when I was trinitarian I was always told that the Holy Ghost was God's spirit....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Warmbee

I was talking to a lady at my job and asked her did she believe that Jesus is God, she said yes, but that she didn't believe the Holy Ghost was God.... Thought that one was kinda wierd cause even when I was trinitarian I was always told that the Holy Ghost was God's spirit....

Weird...since Trinitarians believe the Holy Ghost is the third PERSON of the Trinity.

Are you sure she was a Trinitarian?

[Warmbee]

Yeah, she said so. But then again, alot of people say they are and really have no idea what the trinitarian doctrine really is

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by rrford

T.D. Jakes is Oneness. (Not sure how he explains it, but according to some it is the same view as the UPCI.)

Tommy Tenney is Oneness. (He explains it just like the UPCI, evidently.)

Now here is the conundrum:

Lifeway ceased selling any of Tommy's books because of his stance on Oneness theology. You won't find one on their shelves anywhere.

On the other hand, the other guy, Oneness Jakes, seems to have an abundant supply of books on Lifeway's shelves.

Can anyone explain that? Or is it that someone "explains" things in a rather confusing or compromising manner?

My first thoughts are:

Tommy Tenny has stronger and closer family ties to the UPC.

T. D. Jakes is a bigger name than Tommy Tenny - therefore there is more money for Lifeway to lose if they pull Jakes.

[South of I 90]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

My first thoughts are:

Tommy Tenny has stronger and closer family ties to the UPC.

T. D. Jakes is a bigger name than Tommy Tenny - therefore there is more money for Lifeway to lose if they pull Jakes.

You won't find Jakes Books at Lifeway.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by South of I 90

You won't find Jakes Books at Lifeway.

So Rrford was wrong?