Masculine or Feminine?

[smurfette]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

In fact I would not sit under a pastor that would not give me freedom to seek the Lord for myself...
And all that know me KNOW I respect leadership...however abusive men are not Sheppard’s...

I agree with you sis. Alvear. Sometimes I think they want you to search the scriptures for yourself, when it confirms what they are teaching. But, it seems to be a different story when you are studying to dispute it.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Singrkel

I guess for clarity I will explain myself. When I presented my Pastor with the hair/skirt issue, he told me that you can't use what the guy on actseighteen says because he uses the wrong translation, ie feminine and masculine. He says unless you understand the greek language, you shouldn't use strong's because you can twist things around to mean something that it's not. My husband and I are just more confused now than ever. Some people say one thing, and some people say another thing. How do I know who's got it right? If my mind can be changed from something that I once believed so strongly in, how do I know which side is right? When I used to pray or study this, it all just made sense. Now when I pray, I feel something totally different. I feel like I'm being torn in two. I just cried so hard all the way home from church last night. I keep trying not to think about this or talk about it, but I can't. I feel like I'm going to crack! My husband is a 5th generation pentecostal, and he's just as lost as I am....

Sign off, pick up your bible, read, study, pray, read, study, pray, read, study, pray........

Don't come back till the Spirit gives you the answer you seek.

I assure you , no one here has the answer you seek, if they say they do they are full of themselves, only more confussion here, come back when God has answered your questions, then stand on those convictions and let no one move you.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

On the skirt issue sister..it's hebrew not greek.

Also, we use strongs because we DO NOT know greek and hebrew. if we knew those languages the the original texts were written in we would have no need for Stongs or Lexicons.

Actually it is greek too. They use the greek for "modest apparel" to show that it is supposed to be a long dress like garment.

BTW even someone that can read greek needs a dictionary to know what the word means

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Actually it is greek too. They use the greek for "modest apparel" to show that it is supposed to be a long dress like garment.

BTW even someone that can read greek needs a dictionary to know what the word means

I did not know that! Very cool!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I did not know that! Very cool!

BTW Im not necessarily agreeing it is correct. Personally I think his point was that they should dress modestly, not wear a modest dress :-)

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW Im not necessarily agreeing it is correct. Personally I think his point was that they should dress modestly, not wear a modest dress :-)

I wasn't thinking of only a "dress" - just the idea that the leg should not be exposed. You think?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I wasn't thinking of only a "dress" - just the idea that the leg should not be exposed. You think?

Modest
kósmios; gen. kosmíou, masc.-fem., neut. kósmion, adj. from kósmos (G2889), order, arrangement. Orderly, decent (1Ti_2:9; 1Ti_3:2). Plato presents someone who is kósmios as the citizen who quietly fulfills the duties which are incumbent on him and is not disorderly. He associates such a person, even as Paul does, with the sṓphrōn (G4998), sensible, self-controlled, one who voluntarily places limitations on his own freedom. The virtue of the kósmios, however, is not only the propriety of his dress and demeanor, but of his inner life, uttering and expressing itself outwardly. Contrasted with semnós (G4586), venerable, this latter person has a grace and dignity not obtained from earth only. While a kósmios person behaves himself well in his earthly citizenship and is an asset, the person who is semnós owes his quality to a higher citizenship. Semnós inspires not only respect but reverence and worship.

Apparel
katastolḗ; gen. katastolḗs, fem. noun from katastéllō (G2687), to put or let down, appease. A long garment or robe reaching down to the feet (see Sept.: Isa_61:3). Apparel, dress in general, a garment, a long robe of dignity (1Ti_2:9).

The above is from Zodhaites word study

Vines
<1,,2887,kosmios>
"orderly, well-arranged, decent, modest" (akin to kosmos, in its primary sense as "harmonious arrangement, adornment;" cp. kosmikos, of the world, which is related to kosmos in its secondary sense as the world), is used in 1Ti_2:9 of the apparel with which Christian women are to adorn themselves; in 1Ti_3:2 (RV, "orderly;" AV, "of good behavior"), of one of the qualifications essential for a bishop or overseer. "The well-ordering is not of dress and demeanor only, but of the inner life, uttering indeed and expressing itself in the outward conversation" (Trench, Syn., xcii). In the Sept., Ecc_12:9.

Apparel
connected with katastello, "to send or let down, to lower" (kata, "down," stello, "to send"), was primarily a garment let down; hence, "dress, attire," in general (cp. stole, a loose outer garment worn by kings and persons of rank, Eng., "stole"); 1Ti_2:9, "apparel." See CLOTHING.

[smurfette]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Modest
kósmios; gen. kosmíou, masc.-fem., neut. kósmion, adj. from kósmos (G2889), order, arrangement. Orderly, decent (1Ti_2:9; 1Ti_3:2). Plato presents someone who is kósmios as the citizen who quietly fulfills the duties which are incumbent on him and is not disorderly. He associates such a person, even as Paul does, with the sṓphrōn (G4998), sensible, self-controlled, one who voluntarily places limitations on his own freedom. The virtue of the kósmios, however, is not only the propriety of his dress and demeanor, but of his inner life, uttering and expressing itself outwardly. Contrasted with semnós (G4586), venerable, this latter person has a grace and dignity not obtained from earth only. While a kósmios person behaves himself well in his earthly citizenship and is an asset, the person who is semnós owes his quality to a higher citizenship. Semnós inspires not only respect but reverence and worship.

Apparel
katastolḗ; gen. katastolḗs, fem. noun from katastéllō (G2687), to put or let down, appease. A long garment or robe reaching down to the feet (see Sept.: Isa_61:3). Apparel, dress in general, a garment, a long robe of dignity (1Ti_2:9).

The above is from Zodhaites word study

Vines
<1,,2887,kosmios>
"orderly, well-arranged, decent, modest" (akin to kosmos, in its primary sense as "harmonious arrangement, adornment;" cp. kosmikos, of the world, which is related to kosmos in its secondary sense as the world), is used in 1Ti_2:9 of the apparel with which Christian women are to adorn themselves; in 1Ti_3:2 (RV, "orderly;" AV, "of good behavior"), of one of the qualifications essential for a bishop or overseer. "The well-ordering is not of dress and demeanor only, but of the inner life, uttering indeed and expressing itself in the outward conversation" (Trench, Syn., xcii). In the Sept., Ecc_12:9.

Apparel
connected with katastello, "to send or let down, to lower" (kata, "down," stello, "to send"), was primarily a garment let down; hence, "dress, attire," in general (cp. stole, a loose outer garment worn by kings and persons of rank, Eng., "stole"); 1Ti_2:9, "apparel." See CLOTHING.

Does this mean that dresses should be worn to the ankle, not just below the knee? Also, if you think it is "OK" to wear pants, should they also be worn to the ankle? No capri style pants and no dresses just below the knee? I'm confused.

[scotty]

Of course all of the above is fluid with culture as it changes with time

[scotty]

Originally Posted by smurfette

Does this mean that dresses should be worn to the ankle, not just below the knee? Also, if you think it is "OK" to wear pants, should they also be worn to the ankle? No capri style pants and no dresses just below the knee? I'm confused.

BUMP

Originally Posted by scotty

Sign off, pick up your bible, read, study, pray, read, study, pray, read, study, pray........

Don't come back till the Spirit gives you the answer you seek.

I assure you , no one here has the answer you seek, if they say they do they are full of themselves, only more confussion here, come back when God has answered your questions, then stand on those convictions and let no one move you.