Laodiceans, Has the church become Laodiceans? - Page 4

SDG · #31 03-09-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

No it does not say not to be a compromiser. But that is beside the point as we should not compromise the word of God. The PROBLEM is that you probably think anyone that does not believe like you is a compromiser because they are not your brand of conservative....but you might actually be the compromiser and not even realize it. Some of the MOST conservative people in the bible in Jesus's day were the Pharisees....they were Ultra Conservative AND they had compromised the word of God. Amazing eh?

Mar 7:6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, "'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
Mar 7:7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
Mar 7:8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men."
Mar 7:9 And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
Mar 7:10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.'
Mar 7:11 But you say, 'If a man tells his father or his mother, Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban' (that is, given to God)--
Mar 7:12 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
Mar 7:13 thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do."

That's pharisees problem though. They thought they could please God with THEIR ability.

God looks for a broken humble heart and faith. In fact a Moderate or a Liberal could just as much as you be trying to please God and obey God even though they don't agree with your view of things. Again....maybe you are the cold or the lukewarm? Think about it. A very conservative person in outward works can be deader than a door nail inwardly

The problem is you decided for yourself that he was talking about being liberal, moderate and conservative and that you put yourself in the best catagory.

Rich in tradition ...

buck naked, pitiable, blind and impoverished in relationship

Just like the Laodiceans

Praxeas · #32 03-09-2008, 02:38 PM

Yep. I have seen this all to often too. Traditions are not bad necessarily. They are when they become as important as the word. They are when they unnecessarily control people.They are when they restrict spiritual growth, love and maturity...

SDG · #33 03-09-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yep. I have seen this all to often too. Traditions are not bad necessarily. They are when they become as important as the word. They are when they unnecessarily control people.They are when they restrict spiritual growth, love and maturity...

Agreed. Bobby failed to read what the beef was w/ Laodicea ...

More drive-by theology.

CC1 · #34 03-09-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

No, cold does not equal liberal, Lukewarm does not equal moderate and hot does not equal conservative. How did you come to that conclusion? Who defines what is liberal or conservative or moderate anyways?

LOL!!! You managed to say in two sentances what took me many in response to his post.

robert · #35 03-09-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaylock

So Robert how would you "label" me?

Who said I was labeling anyone. I asked how do we label ourselves. You know in your own heart where you are with God. I know here I am with God, and I always see that I need improvement.

robert · #36 03-09-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Some like it HOT ...

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done
many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye
that work iniquity.

I suppose you are a liberal...and you believe liberals are hot? Who are these that the Lord speaks of in this scripture.
The beatitudes was full of instructions as well as blessings and was ended with Hearing and doing and what would happen to the doers. It also spoke of those who hear and do not do and what happens to them. These scriptures you wrote of was probably the do nothings. They probably believed in welfare salvation. Do nothing and wait for pay day. Their pay day was not what they were expecting.

robert · #37 03-09-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

No, cold does not equal liberal, Lukewarm does not equal moderate and hot does not equal conservative. How did you come to that conclusion? Who defines what is liberal or conservative or moderate anyways?

If you consider yourself any one of these. I guess you would know what it means to you. Most people know what the words mean and when they use them on thereselves they know why they are using them. I've heard people on this forum use these words quite often. Daniel Alicea uses a big liberal in his signature. Hopefully he does not think of himself as liberal in a political sense. I would not want to be associated with liberal democrats in any way shape or form.

robert · #38 03-09-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Robert, do you know what the problem in Laodicea was ....????

They were PRIGGISH .... LIKE YOUR POST ...

For you say, 'I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing.' You do not realize that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. Therefore I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may be rich; and white robes to clothe you and to keep the shame of your nakedness from being seen; and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. (NRSV)

Most theologians believe the words attributed to the Laodiceans obviously mark an ironic over-confidence in regard to spiritual wealth. They, unlike the Christ who knows, are unable to recognize their bankruptcy.

However, the image may also be drawing on the perceived worldly wealth of the city.

Either way they thought they were better than everyone else.

They weren't being chastised for being LESS APOSTOLIC.

What is priggish?

robert · #39 03-09-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Rich in tradition ...

buck naked, pitiable, blind and impoverished in relationship

Just like the Laodiceans

Amnazing, I put myself in the category I figured God would want me to be in, You call me a Pharasee, a hypocrite, and think negatively of me and you don't even Know me. You are being my judge and jury. I have not accused you of any thing...I gave an analogy and asked a question. Why these attacks? My desire is not to be holier than you, but to please Jesus my Lord.

robert · #40 03-09-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yep. I have seen this all to often too. Traditions are not bad necessarily. They are when they become as important as the word. They are when they unnecessarily control people.They are when they restrict spiritual growth, love and maturity...

Would you say praying before church starts...a tradition of the church I went to in Kansas...would restrict spiritual growth, love and maturity. Actually good traditions don't restrict anyone from spiritual growth, love, and maturity except in the minds of those who want to make good traditions into evil things because they want to make newer and better traditions for themselves. Traditions that are probably worse than the ones they condemn.