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Old 02-25-2008, 10:44 AM
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these are great points.

sadly conservatism is waning because elected conservatives decided they couldn't keep power as cons. that was wrong on their point.
Well, I'd say conservatism is waning because American society is becoming more and more liberal (on gay marriage/abortion, etc) and the Repubs feel like if they dont shift toward the left/middle they'll lose all day long to the Democrats.

Its just a political calculation on their part in response to an obvious shift in society's views.
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Actually I think conservatism is waning because American society is becoming more and more liberal (on gay marriage/abortion, etc) and the Repubs feel like if they dont shift toward the left/middle they'll lose all day long to the Democrats.

Its just a political calculation on their part in response to an obvious shift in society's views.
This stuff is cyclical. It's based on generations countering the previous generation ... give it 15 years and the pendulum swings again.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:48 AM
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Those that have been on the far left have been voting Democrats for years ... Clinton, Carter, etc ....

as there are fascists voting for the conservative Republicans too ...

Let's stop the hysterics ....
No hysterics here. Just speaking the obvious.

Even though those on the far have voted democrat for years, mainstream Democrats dont like to be openly associated with Communists/Socialists.

Similarly, Republicans will always get the Neo-nazi/KKK vote, but they sure don't want any Nazi/KKK flags hanging in their campaign offices.
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No hysterics here. Just speaking the obvious.

Even though those on the far have voted democrat for years, mainstream Democrats dont like to be openly associated with Communists/Socialists.

Similarly, Republicans will always get the Neo-nazi/KKK vote, but they sure don't want any Nazi/KKK flags hanging in their campaign offices.
As usual this is usually remedied ... also keep in mind the free speech factor ...

Obama will be the next president ... and I wll vote for him. The first time I will vote for a Democrat in a national election.
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Those that have been on the far left have been voting Democrats for years ... Clinton, Carter, etc ....

as there are fascists voting for the conservative Republicans too ...

Let's stop the hysterics ....
Dan, with all fairness you misrepresent conservatives by using the term 'fascists'. Fascism has been documented to be the seedbed of the radical left....not the radical right.
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As usual this is usually remedied ... also keep in mind the free speech factor ...

Obama will be the next president ... and I wll vote for him. The first time I will vote for a Democrat in a national election.
I had hoped you were just kidding. It is beyond me how any Christian could vote for someone who advocates abortion, gay lifestyle, socialism, etc.

Federal judges appointed by either Hillary or Obama will speed up the liberal social agenda by leaps and bounds.

The logical extension of their agenda is to make any criticism of homosexuality a hate crime so you will see the day when churches will legally be bound to hire gays and if an employee is found to be gay will not legally be able to fire them as it will be "discrimination" and "hate" and "intolerance".
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The logical extension of their agenda is to make any criticism of homosexuality a hate crime so you will see the day when churches will legally be bound to hire gays and if an employee is found to be gay will not legally be able to fire them as it will be "discrimination" and "hate" and "intolerance".
Unfortunately you probably will be correct.
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This stuff is cyclical. It's based on generations countering the previous generation ... give it 15 years and the pendulum swings again.
I highly doubt it . When gay marriage becomes law it wont be overturned. The pendulum wont swing back on that.
...Just as how although abortion became legal 30+ years ago, it has now become so entrenched into American society that Roe Vs Wade has practically zero chance of being overturned.

Conservatism is based in large part on a foundation Judeo-Christian moral values. As America drifts farther and farther away from that foundation, I don't think that true conservatism will ever swing back to the level of influence it had back in the Ronald Reagan/Moral Majority days of the 80's.
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McKain doesn't have a chance agains the momentum of Obama's candidacy.
you might be right.

I think McCain doesnt have a chance against history.
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Dan, with all fairness you misrepresent conservatives by using the term 'fascists'. Fascism has been documented to be the seedbed of the radical left....not the radical right.
I'm a social and fiscal conservative .... CC1 ... and cringe when I hear the fascists in the party spew their hate .....

Fascism is the anti-thesis of socialism ... see WWII.

Interestingly enough it's already been stated that Obamas is a straight up socialist in this thread ...
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