Sad "Abortion led to Suicide" Story - Page 4

nahkoe · #31 02-23-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Where has God ever told us to forget our sins? He chooses to not hold them against us but He made us to remember. No where does He tell us to forget. It helps us to keep from sinning and further it reminds us of the pit in which He pulled us out of. "And such were some of you"....remember?

When I issued my statement on feeling 'horrible' I thought I made it clear that was before salvation at the same time being remorseful for one's sins is appropriate.

While I believe David and Paul understood God's grace they only understood it in light of what necessitated that grace.

That's our problem. We don't understand the sinfulness of sin.

I feel like I've got a pretty good idea.

As for remembering my sin keeping me from sinning? Oh no, the more I remember it, the more I think on it, the more I repeat it. Remembering God, and what His love is like, keeps me from sinning. Thinking on what He wants for me motivates me to be everything I can be. Realizing what sort of relationship He wants to have with me inspires me to know Him more. Thinking of the things I did does nothing but destroy me. It crushes me. It breaks me. It makes me want to quit, to give up. And it allows those chains to start wrapping themselves around me yet again.

ReformedDave · #32 02-23-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

I feel like I've got a pretty good idea.

As for remembering my sin keeping me from sinning? Oh no, the more I remember it, the more I think on it, the more I repeat it. Remembering God, and what His love is like, keeps me from sinning. Thinking on what He wants for me motivates me to be everything I can be. Realizing what sort of relationship He wants to have with me inspires me to know Him more. Thinking of the things I did does nothing but destroy me. It crushes me. It breaks me. It makes me want to quit, to give up. And it allows those chains to start wrapping themselves around me yet again.

Why do you need a Savior?

nahkoe · #33 02-23-2008, 05:07 PM

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Why do you need a Savior?

Because living outside the will of God will destroy a person.
Because things that seem fine in the moment, leave marks, scars, destruction, leave a person in bondage.
Because a person in bondage can not have an intimate relationship with God.
Because God longs for an intimate relationship with me.
Because I can not be who God created me to be while existing in a pit.
Because I can't get out of that pit by myself.
Because God is perfect, therefore sin can not exist in his presence.
Because my nature is to sin.

And most of all because God wants a relationship with me.
He wants to be with me.
He wants me to know Him.

So He made a way for that to be possible.

ReformedDave · #34 02-23-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

Because living outside the will of God will destroy a person.
Because things that seem fine in the moment, leave marks, scars, destruction, leave a person in bondage.
Because a person in bondage can not have an intimate relationship with God.
Because God longs for an intimate relationship with me.
Because I can not be who God created me to be while existing in a pit.
Because I can't get out of that pit by myself.
Because God is perfect, therefore sin can not exist in his presence.
Because my nature is to sin.

And most of all because God wants a relationship with me.
He wants to be with me.
He wants me to know Him.

So He made a way for that to be possible.

First of all, there is nothing in you or me (BC) that is worth anything. He doesn't have any 'need' for us. His chief end is to glorify Himself and we're to do the same. Before we come to Him we hate Him and want nothing to do with Him. We are debased in the worst way and we have nothing to give Him. The ONLY goodness we have is His reflection in us as He transforms us to His likeness.

To suggest that God 'longs' for something denotes His 'lack' which is not what I'm sure you mean.

nahkoe · #35 02-23-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

First of all, there is nothing in you or me (BC) that is worth anything. He doesn't have any 'need' for us. His chief end is to glorify Himself and we're to do the same. Before we come to Him we hate Him and want nothing to do with Him. We are debased in the worst way and we have nothing to give Him. The ONLY goodness we have is His reflection in us as He transforms us to His likeness.

To suggest that God 'longs' for something denotes His 'lack' which is not what I'm sure you mean.

Why would God allow Himself to be beaten and killed if He had no desire for a relationship with us? What purpose would there be for His death and resurrection? Why would He care if we went to hell instead of heaven if we have no worth? Or if He has no need for us?

Just to prove He can? I don't think He's quite that egotistical. I also don't believe God Himself would have left heaven, left the glory that is, taken on a human form, grown up, lived, hurt, experienced all that humanity is, and then suffered what He suffered, died, rose again, if there wasn't *something* of great value that He desperately longed for.

God created us with a free will. He can not take our heart without our consent. In that way, yes there is something God lacks. He lacks relationship with each person on earth until each person makes the choice to enter into a relationship with Him.

If there is nothing of worth in us before we come to Christ, why did He die for us while we were yet sinners?

I also disagree with your statement that before we come to Him, we want nothing to do with Him. Before we come to Him, we spend our time looking for what is missing in our lives. We may not be aware it's God, but we're very aware that something is lacking within us. I was pretty happy where I was, but I was still seeking something more.

ReformedDave · #36 02-23-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

Why would God allow Himself to be beaten and killed if He had no desire for a relationship with us? What purpose would there be for His death and resurrection? Why would He care if we went to hell instead of heaven if we have no worth? Or if He has no need for us?

Just to prove He can? I don't think He's quite that egotistical. I also don't believe God Himself would have left heaven, left the glory that is, taken on a human form, grown up, lived, hurt, experienced all that humanity is, and then suffered what He suffered, died, rose again, if there wasn't *something* of great value that He desperately longed for.

God created us with a free will. He can not take our heart without our consent. In that way, yes there is something God lacks. He lacks relationship with each person on earth until each person makes the choice to enter into a relationship with Him.

If there is nothing of worth in us before we come to Christ, why did He die for us while we were yet sinners?

Can you prove from Scripture that He 'needs' us? He does everything for His glory. He chose to love us. We did not choose Him. Scripture address the completeness of God and His not lacking anything along with His perfection. Our loving Him adds nothing to His perfection.

Egotistical? He's God. He can, and does, require praise.

ReformedDave · #37 02-23-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

I also disagree with your statement that before we come to Him, we want nothing to do with Him. Before we come to Him, we spend our time looking for what is missing in our lives. We may not be aware it's God, but we're very aware that something is lacking within us. I was pretty happy where I was, but I was still seeking something more.

Romans 1 states that ALL men have a knowledge of God and all men reject that knowledge.

Mrs. LPW · #38 02-23-2008, 05:51 PM

Here are two songs that mean something to me and my walk with the Lord.

"I'm never gonna look back, I've made up my mind
I've got too much invested
To lose my time
Through the rivers, and over the mountains and plains
I'm never gonna look back till I reach heavens gates."

and

"When I look back, and see,
Where Jesus brought me from
It's a mighty long way, from where I used to be.
For my soul, it was so lost in sin and misery
And I'm singing this song,
'Cause I know where, He brought me from."

I think the two can co-exist.
Remembering the pit we were dug from...

Isaiah 51:1

Psalm 40:2
He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.

And
Philippians 3:13
Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before

I think there are those who remember where they were brought from is a great strength to them.. and those who are much better served not looking back.

You find the one that serves you best and stick with that mentality.
My father... when he looks back he has Joy because he knows where God has brought him. My husband, prefers not to think on his past much at all.

I think it matters as well, how far along on the journey you are. The further you get from that pit, the less hold it has if you look back and regard it.

But like Lot's wife... we shouldn't look back and miss the old life.. so if you're tempted to look back and miss it... "don't look Etheeeeellll"

These are my thoughts anyway.

Brother Price · #39 02-23-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

First of all, there is nothing in you or me (BC) that is worth anything. He doesn't have any 'need' for us. His chief end is to glorify Himself and we're to do the same. Before we come to Him we hate Him and want nothing to do with Him. We are debased in the worst way and we have nothing to give Him. The ONLY goodness we have is His reflection in us as He transforms us to His likeness.

To suggest that God 'longs' for something denotes His 'lack' which is not what I'm sure you mean.

Brother, I strongly disagree with this...

In the fullness of time, God saved us. He brought us into a covenant relationship with Himself through the sacrifice at Calvary. He did it because, He loves us! Love is a relationship factor. He desires and wants people to come to Him in relationship.

As for what is in us, He saw beyond our sinful state and saw what we would be in Him. That which was in us was sin, but He saw a destiny, a worth, a purpose that would cause us to come into relationship with Him.

To close, if He did not long for us to be in right standing before Him, then why did He come to die for our sins?

nahkoe · #40 02-23-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Can you prove from Scripture that He 'needs' us? He does everything for His glory. He chose to love us. We did not choose Him. Scripture address the completeness of God and His not lacking anything along with His perfection. Our loving Him adds nothing to His perfection.

Egotistical? He's God. He can, and does, require praise.

I can't manage enough time sitting down right now to find the scriptures I'm looking for.

Can you prove that He doesn't?

Do you have scripture for God requiring praise? I can think of a few that use the word desire.