Please Explain the Existence of Dinasour Fossils

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by chseeads

That is a bit hard to explain the carnivorous nature many of the dinos were believed to have had because carnivorous nature didn't exist until after the Fall...

Here's an interesting question I've had. Why do we think all creatures were immortal and weren't carnivorous before the fall?

I've always read about how Romans states,

"12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" - Romans 5:12

But the context reads,

"11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many." - Romans 5:11-15

The subject appears to be more than just physical death, but rather the spiritual death which passed upon all men through transgression and the salvation found in Christ.

I've heard Creationists propose that maybe the atmospheric conditions lent themselves to allowing for eternal life or long ages. But I don't see that explicitly taught in Scripture.

I do see something very interesting though....when God wanted to ensure that Adam would not live forever we see what He did,

"22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." - Genesis 3:22-24

God removed Adam from the garden to prevent him from partaking of the Tree of Life and thereby, live forever. It appears that Adam's longevity and eternal life was predicated upon his access to this tree.

In regards to animals and the proposition that they were immortal and vegetarian, how could this be? Did every animal also have access to the tree of life?

Is it possible that nature outside of the garden and away from the influence of the Tree of Life was quite different from the peaceful eternal existence within the garden?

Just a few questions I've always had. Some of you theologians can share your insights, I'm curious about your thoughts on this.

God bless.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Thank God he wasnt Sams son!

My son?

Which one?

I have three sons.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Please explain the existence of dinasour fossils and how it relates to Judeo-Christian values.

This is easy - Democrats.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by chseeads

They lived and they died a long time ago, and they turned to fossils.

lol

It's all speculation, but you could either go with the thought that they lived concurrent to man at some point and then died out for whatever reason...maybe having to do with the Flood....but...that poses a bit of a problem because it seems there'd have been dinos on the ark in order to go in keeping with their being pairs of everything aboard....and I dunno if the ark would hold all the dinos...lol

Or you could take the days of creation as many years of time each, such as the day = a thousand years thought.... And say that the dinos died out before man was created....

That is a bit hard to explain the carnivorous nature many of the dinos were believed to have had because carnivorous nature didn't exist until after the Fall....



Or, you could ask somebody like CC1, I think he was there when it happened.

Such disrespect for the elderly! If we are talking dinosaurs I would have to defer to the AMF brethern or the UPCI staff who thought the pre Haney look of the Pentecostal Herald was leading edge.

[deacon blues]

Check www.geraldschroeder.com

[OP_Carl]

You may find it in one of the sources already linked, but I have read an expose' about carbon-dating methods. The carbon dating results that are "fliers" are thrown out. The definition of a flier is any result that doesn't meet the expectations of an evolutionist.

But that is only for recent stuff.

The deep stuff, fossilized in layer of rock, contains no carbon, so the dating is truly a wide estimate based on geological theory.

There are a few stories of finding dinosaur bones in layers that were supposedly merely pre-historic, and so those finds are considered hoaxes or are ignored. There are also stories of finding dinosaur remains in a state of decomposition rather than fossilization - kind of like that woolly mammoth that they found frozen in the ice in Siberia in the 1800s. It was so well preserved, the discoverers cooked some up and ate it!

In addition, early Roman accounts of the inhabitants of Europe describe the sport of the local youth of hunting and slaying an Aur-ox as a rite of passage. An Aur-ox was a bovine creature half again as tall as today's largest bull, and much more aggressive. A single unarmed man stood no chance against it. Yet now it is extinct. The large and ferocious of the animal kingdom have been hunted to extinction by man in countless proven and even known instances. Why not the dinosaurs?

The assumption about the diet and predatory nature of the carnivorous variety of dinosaur is just that: ALL assumption. It is based on the shape and design of the teeth. However, there are several examples of currently living creatures whose teeth are sharp and serrated, yet they are vegetarian. For those whose beliefs require that no creatures ate flesh before the fall of man, it is conceivable that the dinosaurs with long, sharp serrated teeth were made to eat a tougher variety of plant.

God shortened man's days after the flood. No more 959-year-old Methuselahs. Why not the dinosaurs?

Perhaps the flood instigated climate change that was unfavorable to the dinosaurs that rode in the ark.

Perhaps the "Little Ice Age" of the 1400s finished them off?

It's tough to know for sure without a time machine.

While I don't think fossils were placed in rock by the devil, I do think that the prevalent theories can be used to sow seeds of doubt.

Essentially, if the time scales estimated by geologists and paleontologists are way off, it is conceivable that the rock layers that contain dinosaur fossils are sediment that was deposited during the flood, and the dinosaurs were drowned in the flood.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Newman

One idea of many.... (as touched upon by rgcraig)

In the beginning the Earth was without form and void (used up)....

The story of the Garden of Eden begins after satan had been cast down to Earth; hitting it like a gigantic, enormous metiorite that kicked up such a dust storm that the sunshine couldn't get through; the ice age came and the dinasaurs and all other life forms died out....

Then God spoke the words recorded in Genesis...

Welcome to the Forum Newman.....

[chseeads]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Here's an interesting question I've had. Why do we think all creatures were immortal and weren't carnivorous before the fall?

Dunno about the immortal part...

But I take it that God made the herb and fruit of the ground as meat for man and beast to start out with...

Hence the Scriptures that talk about the lion lying with the lamb, and the cow and the bear and the lion eating straw like an ox....restored back to original vegetarian state.

[Mrs. LPW]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

I have never - not once in this lifetime - heard a Christian response to the existence of dinasour fossils.

Anybody know of any good source material?

I have... do you think I can remember his name?

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by chseeads

Dunno about the immortal part...

But I take it that God made the herb and fruit of the ground as meat for man and beast to start out with...

Hence the Scriptures that talk about the lion lying with the lamb, and the cow and the bear and the lion eating straw like an ox....restored back to original vegetarian state.

And, as reminded by your tag line, they were ALL NEKKID too ! ! ! !


(good thing there weren't any thorns or briars, huh?)