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02-18-2008, 01:46 PM
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Re: Bill Clinton Loses Temper, Lashes Out at Pro-L
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Originally Posted by scotty
What about the man?!?!
I know , it is in the womans body. But what if the father had the means to care for his child, why does he not have a say in whether or not it lives or dies.
Before I came to God I was in a serious relationship for 3 and a half years. She told me she was pregnant and wanted me to help pay for an abortion. She was still in college so she didn't feel having a baby was an option right then. I was through with college, had a great paying job, my own place and my mom and dad (who were in the church) totally volunteered to help me in the childs care. I refused to help pay and begged her to have it and I would take the child and she could do as she wished. She payed for it all, killed the child and needless to say we parted ways.
What about me? What choice did I have in determining the future of my child.? Or is it not my child until its born? That was 18 years ago, yet I the tears still come when I think about the fact that I could be sitting at a graduation ceremony this summer and have 18yrs of fatherhood memories. Did she really have the right to take my child from me? WWJD?
It's not an economic issue brother, it's called society without God. Period
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I'm sorry for your incident, Scotty. I'm standing here with a 21 year old daughter because I refused the abortion he wanted to pay for.
It's a convoluted issue at best!
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02-18-2008, 01:48 PM
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Re: Bill Clinton Loses Temper, Lashes Out at Pro-L
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
1. Such legislation could not be introduced unless there was first legislation in place that shows that abortion IS murder.
2. The government does not have the right to prosecute doctors or women for committing an act that they have deemed legal. Therefore, even if such legislation were to pass (and it never will), it should only apply to doctors and women performing or receiving ILLEGAL abortions, that is, outside of the time frame in which they were legal, or using illegal methods.
3. I think that doctors who perform abortions are cold-blooded murderers, but IF the government says something is legal, when it shouldn't be, then the government itself should be on trial--not the doctors who are not technically committing a criminal act.
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Then it would fall back on the citizens for voting them into office.
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02-18-2008, 01:50 PM
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Re: Bill Clinton Loses Temper, Lashes Out at Pro-L
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
If you tell a women she can not abort a baby you are messing with certain rights that I am not comfortable with.
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I do not agree that passing laws against criminal acts is "messing with certain rights." Murder is a criminal act, and it is appalling to me that anyone would think that murdering an unborn child should fall outside the definition.
Furthermore, the laws are discriminatory against men, which is a minor issue, but an issue nonetheless. They are half of the parental set, and while their bodies aren't used to bring a child to fruition, if they are deemed fit, they should have an equal say-so in whether or not the child is aborted or not. If a mother can say "yes", the father should have the option of saying "no." Men's rights when it comes to abortion have been virtually wiped out.
The best way to reduce the number of abortions IMO is to allow them only for life & death situations, or in cases of rape, incest or molestation. I don't agree with it even then, but I think that if the law allowed for those extenuating circumstances, it might be passable.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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02-18-2008, 01:53 PM
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Re: Bill Clinton Loses Temper, Lashes Out at Pro-L
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Originally Posted by scotty
What about the man?!?! I know , it is in the womans body. But what if the father had the means to care for his child, why does he not have a say in whether or not it lives or dies. Before I came to God I was in a serious relationship for 3 and a half years. She told me she was pregnant and wanted me to help pay for an abortion. She was still in college so she didn't feel having a baby was an option right then. I was through with college, had a great paying job, my own place and my mom and dad (who were in the church) totally volunteered to help me in the childs care. I refused to help pay and begged her to have it and I would take the child and she could do as she wished. She payed for it all, killed the child and needless to say we parted ways. What about me? What choice did I have in determining the future of my child.? Or is it not my child until its born? That was 18 years ago, yet I the tears still come when I think about the fact that I could be sitting at a graduation ceremony this summer and have 18yrs of fatherhood memories. Did she really have the right to take my child from me? WWJD? It's not an economic issue brother, it's called society without God. Period
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We had some neighbors a few years ago, and the wife found out she was pregnant--didn't want to be--and aborted the baby. She informed her husband after the fact. HE never got over it. It was the beginning of the end of their relationship. He cheated on her and told her about it (his revenge I guess), she cheated back, and they ended up in a bitter divorce.
Men have been completely kicked out of the womb. It's the Women's Lib's greatest coup.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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02-18-2008, 01:55 PM
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Re: Bill Clinton Loses Temper, Lashes Out at Pro-L
I find it hard to believe a Pentecostal preacher could be okay with abortion.
Unreal.
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02-18-2008, 02:04 PM
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Re: Bill Clinton Loses Temper, Lashes Out at Pro-L
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I find it hard to believe a Pentecostal preacher could be okay with abortion.
Unreal.
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I went thru the thread and didn't see anyone let a lone a preacher who was for abortion. can you point this out to me?? i would join in the shock of it
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02-18-2008, 02:25 PM
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Re: Bill Clinton Loses Temper, Lashes Out at Pro-L
There are some sick freaks posting here!
To keep this comment in perspective, please know that I view the rights of a baby two months prior to delivery exactly as I do two months post delivery.
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02-18-2008, 02:32 PM
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Re: Bill Clinton Loses Temper, Lashes Out at Pro-L
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
There are some sick freaks posting here!
To keep this comment in perspective, please know that I view the rights of a baby two months prior to delivery exactly as I do two months post delivery.
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Why just two months prior?
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02-18-2008, 02:36 PM
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Re: Bill Clinton Loses Temper, Lashes Out at Pro-L
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Originally Posted by scotty
Why just two months prior?
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I don't think he meant "only" two months prior.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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02-18-2008, 02:37 PM
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Re: Bill Clinton Loses Temper, Lashes Out at Pro-L
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Originally Posted by StMark
this guy has gone nuts. what's wrong with him lately??
I seriously think there is something physically wrong with him.
He doesn't look right - has anyone noticed how gaunt and
Old looking he's been lately???
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That's because he IS gaunt and old. lol
Time in the White House always does age people.
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