AMF/Tulsa: the result of "tradition of men" - Page 4

Bro-Larry · #31 03-10-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NW Pastor

Many traditions have great usefulness and accomplish the purposes of Christ and the church.

We all have traditions to which we adhere that have value. They are handed down by families, churches, political systems, etc...and have served us very well. Traditions can stablize us and provide a sense of connectedness and accountability to something bigger than ourselves.

So, can we really throw out all traditions? The problem is making our traditions God's. They ceace to derive their purpose from their effectivenss and become fixtures of society, family, or the church long after the reason for existance is past.

Knowing which man-made traditions to alter and when is tricky.

When Moses put a brass serpent on a pole, it had a very valid purpose. But that purpose ended when they left the wilderness. Later in Hezekiah's day we find them burning incence to it. He destroyed it calling it "Nehusten" just a piece of brass. Brass represents "flesh". When traditions no longer serve their God intended purpose, they become just a work of the flesh.

The message of the brass serpent was pointing to Jesus. In fact everything in the OT and the gospels pointed to Jesus and the work of redemption that He did. Now that the real flesh has been lifted up on a pole, all those types and shadows no longer have validity.

Bro-Larry · #32 03-10-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

You don't think that helping God out, or adding fences for protections is a good thing?

There is actually a whole teaching about this issue, its called Binding and Loosing, some pastors feel because of their office that God actually backs their teaching on standards because of the whole principle of Binding and Loosing.

Wow! This thread suddenly came back to life. Yes, and that's probably one of the best examples of twisting (spinning) the word into a doctrine of men.

Bro-Larry · #33 03-10-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

Considering this thread I thought this article was interesting. Perhaps we're more like the Catholics than we like to admit.

http://green.yahoo.com/news/nm/20080...e_sins_dc.html

You think? LOL Yes, I think too.

Bro-Larry · #34 03-10-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan'D

Are there any traditions of man that you agree with or do you think we should throw them all out.

Dan’D

People are free to curse themselves if they want to do that. (Gal 3:10)

I believe the grace of God is far more radical than any of us realize. Salvation is by Grace....." through faith; and that (faith) not of ourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works:......".(Eph 2:8)

Romans 11:6 shows us that you can't mix works and grace. Am I saying that all the traditions and things you have kept for all these years account for nothing? Yep, that is exactly what I am saying.

Bro-Larry · #35 03-10-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

The "doctrine" of binding and loosing.

My old pastor said if I tell you, you have to wear bib overalls to make it and stand on your head in a corner....well then bless God you gotta do it or be lost.

That's why he's my "old pastor"

Me thinks the intrepretation of binding and loosing is another scripture sorely abused by OP preachers.

I've had the same experience. My "old pastor" said to me that there are people who have sinned against him, and they can't be saved until he releases them.

Pastor Keith · #36 03-10-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

When Moses put a brass serpent on a pole, it had a very valid purpose. But that purpose ended when they left the wilderness. Later in Hezekiah's day we find them burning incence to it. He destroyed it calling it "Nehusten" just a piece of brass. Brass represents "flesh". When traditions no longer serve their God intended purpose, they become just a work of the flesh.

The message of the brass serpent was pointing to Jesus. In fact everything in the OT and the gospels pointed to Jesus and the work of redemption that He did. Now that the real flesh has been lifted up on a pole, all those types and shadows no longer have validity.

You must have heard old Mark Hanby's message on this, I have an original version of this message from Idaho Camp Meeting in the 1970's, still relevant today.

Bro-Larry · #37 03-10-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

You must have heard old Mark Hanby's message on this, I have an original version of this message from Idaho Camp Meeting in the 1970's, still relevant today.

He preached that sermon everywhere. I've never heard it but I have seen the sermon title.

CC1 · #38 03-10-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

I've had the same experience. My "old pastor" said to me that there are people who have sinned against him, and they can't be saved until he releases them.

Can you say cult????!!!!! Guys like that ought to be run out of old time Pentecost by wise elders.

Fiyahstarter · #39 03-10-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

There is actually a whole teaching about this issue, its called Binding and Loosing, some pastors feel because of their office that God actually backs their teaching on standards because of the whole principle of Binding and Loosing.

Please someone give me a condensed definition of this "Binding and Loosing" doctrine ...

Fiyahstarter · #40 03-10-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

The "doctrine" of binding and loosing.

My old pastor said if I tell you, you have to wear bib overalls to make it and stand on your head in a corner....well then bless God you gotta do it or be lost.

That's why he's my "old pastor"

Me thinks the intrepretation of binding and loosing is another scripture sorely abused by OP preachers.

Someone PULEEZ help me understand ...

What would make a pastor think he could make up rules and hold my salvation hostage to those rules?

Are there any pastors out there willing to field this question???