BOOM, If I didnt have some church commitments this week, It is all together likely that I would BE there right now with a lap top, providing minute by minute updates!
I even have extended family that lives in Tulsa to stay with!
alas, we are in the beginning stages of a building program and we have meetings and I have Protest Chili to make!
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I will say, this group, if they do things right just might be a fantastic thing for the Apostolic movement.
there are many independant men and many in the UPCI that are fish out of water. by joining and having a much tighter focus, they have an ability to be united.
by leaving the UPCI, the UPCI has a chance to be much more united than it has been in a generation.
in the end, both groups may end up being better off and more productive!
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I think some were disheartened when it was found out that all the structure was already in place. A lot of ministers were hoping to get in on the building of this group,and were disappointed that the building was finished prior to the first "info" meeting in Tulsa. This COULD be the reason for a lower turnout.
I think some were disheartened when it was found out that all the structure was already in place. A lot of ministers were hoping to get in on the building of this group,and were disappointed that the building was finished prior to the first "info" meeting in Tulsa. This COULD be the reason for a lower turnout.
They are smart men but they shot themselves in the foot I think. To announce the 49 without any input from the floor? I know many men are there that are not going to join because of that and I know many who did not go because of that. Then some of the 49??????????????????????
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!
I will say, this group, if they do things right just might be a fantastic thing for the Apostolic movement.
there are many independant men and many in the UPCI that are fish out of water. by joining and having a much tighter focus, they have an ability to be united.
by leaving the UPCI, the UPCI has a chance to be much more united than it has been in a generation.
in the end, both groups may end up being better off and more productive!
It strikes me that the "wrong" group is leaving. The WwPF folks aren't all that "conservative" across the board. They just strike me as being a bunch of guys who got bored over the winter. I know, the roots of this thing go deeper than that, but still that's the impression I'm left with.
Now, if more of the AMC type crowd had joined in I would be impressed. Instead most of those folks just seem to be happy to see the UPC tearing at itself.
I wonder what would happen if everyone got a real revelation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Now there's a group that I could enthusiatically join.
It strikes me that the "wrong" group is leaving. The WwPF folks aren't all that "conservative" across the board. They just strike me as being a bunch of guys who got bored over the winter. I know, the roots of this thing go deeper than that, but still that's the impression I'm left with.
Now, if more of the AMC type crowd had joined in I would be impressed. Instead most of those folks just seem to be happy to see the UPC tearing at itself.
I wonder what would happen if everyone got a real revelation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Now there's a group that I could enthusiatically join.
I won't comment because I don't want to be seen as tearing them down befor the get off their feet, but I have some of the same thoughts.
Thus only 2000 was at GC to vote? If so then this looks real bad to have maybe 1000 here? That is 1/2 of the voting body. Not good I would say.
Quoting 8000 as membership then having 2000 voting and maybe 1/2 of them leaving? No wonder the officials are writing letters!
In all due respect to this line of reasoning, there is never much more than the numbers previously listed who attend GC. It is usually 20 to 30% or so of our licensee's that shows up at any conference. money is a viable issue for most ministers and a vast majority of our conference is families, saints and visitors. It is always stratigically placed for this reason. So.......There can be no accurate assessment on any of this for now.
However, when there is a cause or the promise of "change" people are all ears and will go to the ends of the earth to be a part of radical change. It is in our DNA to do this (IMHO) This is in and out of the church, politic's and more. We love to be part of history.
So, I think those that go will see what there is to see, make their assesment, leave to either stay or go. Those that stay with the UPCI may do so now with more resolve to plug in and be a contributing member and not a bystander and witness and explosive growth like we have never seen before. Those that choose to leave will attach themselves to likeminded men and will I am sure be blessed in their endeavors. Whatever the motives are on either side, God knows how to turn it all around so "HE" can get Glory. I pray we witness that on both sides.
I have family now who are on both sides so yes I too have a personal stake in what the outcome is.
So....as it plays out we will all watch and pray........and some of us "post" LOL
Thus only 2000 was at GC to vote? If so then this looks real bad to have maybe 1000 here? That is 1/2 of the voting body. Not good I would say.
Quoting 8000 as membership then having 2000 voting and maybe 1/2 of them leaving? No wonder the officials are writing letters!
I don't think you can say that it was 1/2 of the voting body of GC being that some there were not UPC. I think this will not be as big as first expected. Maybe I am wrong.....
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It strikes me that the "wrong" group is leaving. The WwPF folks aren't all that "conservative" across the board. They just strike me as being a bunch of guys who got bored over the winter. I know, the roots of this thing go deeper than that, but still that's the impression I'm left with.
Now, if more of the AMC type crowd had joined in I would be impressed. Instead most of those folks just seem to be happy to see the UPC tearing at itself.
I wonder what would happen if everyone got a real revelation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Now there's a group that I could enthusiatically join.
You've got that right! I know many of the men in the Sacred 49 that are not NEARLY as conservative as this group is SUPPOSED to be. It really sounds more like political manuvering than convictions being followed.... JMO.
I know I prob shouldn't say that, but....ooops said!
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Oh well, that's the way I see it!
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