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12-01-2007, 11:34 PM
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Was he a great reformer, or not?
I categorically reject the notion that there has always been a Oneness Pentecostal presence throughout history. We would not exist as Pentecostals without Luther's contributions.
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You have you opinion I have mine.The True Church is not a postreformation group.If the church ever faded away then the gates of hell pervailed agains't her.
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12-01-2007, 11:34 PM
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Many of the protestant groups are daughters of The RCC, because even though they left her they still have alot of her teachings in them.
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So do you.
Do you celebrate Christmas? Easter? Halloween?
Do you worship on Sunday?
Do you view "the ministry" as a sort of clerical priesthood that stands head and shoulders above laity?
If you practice any of these, you are a descendant of Catholicism.
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12-01-2007, 11:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Was he a great reformer, or not?
I categorically reject the notion that there has always been a Oneness Pentecostal presence throughout history. We would not exist as Pentecostals without Luther's contributions.
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Yes, you are absolutely correct in that.
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12-01-2007, 11:35 PM
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You have you opinion I have mine.The True Church is not a postreformation group.If the church ever faded away then the gates of hell pervailed agains't her.
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But what then is the "true church?"
It is obvious early Anabaptists, Quakers and Mennonites only held to a portion of twentieth century Pentecostalism.
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12-01-2007, 11:36 PM
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So do you.
Do you celebrate Christmas? Easter? Halloween?
Do you worship on Sunday?
Do you view "the ministry" as a sort of clerical priesthood that stands head and shoulders above laity?
If you practice any of these, you are a descendant of Catholicism.
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Christmas? NO
Easter? NO
Halloween? NO and NO christian does either
Worship on Sunday? I worship God 7 days aweek.
Ministry above the Laity? Christ is the head of the church, the pastor is the backbone.
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12-01-2007, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pelathais
I wouldn't presume to be the judge of which historical personages deserve what titles and epitaphs. Martin Luther had a tremendous impact for one man really was one of those who you could say "changed the world" in some way.
But personally, the man was a scoundrel; driven by his passions and anger he never seemed to become aware of the effect his words were having as time went on. The end result was the Thirty Years War, the Peasant Rebellion and and the Counter-Reformation. This was the bloodiest and most destructive era of European history, worse even than WW1 and WW2.
Let the man remain as he was in old age, besotted in his beer, nearly blind and ranting about the devil being behind every startling sound or noise he heard.
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Surely the effect of his words were coupled by a religious system that refused to give up it's monopoly over the lives of people in Europe.
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12-01-2007, 11:36 PM
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I categorically reject the notion that there has always been a Oneness Pentecostal presence throughout history.
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You're correct in your rejection of that idea. A study of church history proves that idea of continuance to be false.
To say "There has always been a 'Oneness Pentecostal' presence throughout history" is a manufactured statement.
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12-01-2007, 11:37 PM
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He didn't know truth. He wasn't baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. There is a warm place for people who don't obey the gospel.
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Um ... thus saith the 21st century OP.
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12-01-2007, 11:37 PM
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You have you opinion I have mine.The True Church is not a postreformation group.If the church ever faded away then the gates of hell pervailed agains't her.
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Not necessarily. The light could have dimmed or even been extinguished for a time. The real test of Matthew 16 is in the bigger picture. I think that's where we have erred.
The "gates of hell" is the "gaping mouth of death." If the church ever existed, even once for a time, then Hell failed.
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12-01-2007, 11:37 PM
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I'm not trying to debate anybody or stir up strive but I am not a child of The RCC or any other denomination.God never started a denomination.
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