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[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by bcarolb

Well, of course he was and still is sincere. People all the time are sincere, just sincerely wrong. Sincerity and intensity of heart are great qualities to have but they don't make us correct. There is only one standard for that..The Word of God (RIGHTLY DIVIDED!!!!). People's sincerity is the tool that is often the reason they can reach so many people and get them to change their lives. Jim Jones was sincere. Malcolm X, Hitler....on and on...they were simply sincerely wrong!! Should this be a new thread? =]

Since you are new here everyone on this forum knows I do NOT believe anyone is saved without obeying Acts 2:38 and believing the Oneness of God.
Yet do I do think some are very sincere and he was one of them. I talked with him at length about his veiws on the Godhead he seemed confused somewhat. He was NOT a classical Trinitarian though raised COGIC.

Originally Posted by Thad

true. I was talking about the rest of it sounding like CP's Doctrine.

I am wondering if this is the end result of leaving the UPC or Apostolic faith as wel know it. afterall, a lot of Xers are turning to this

I want to stress again that Christian Garrett is in a mode of thinking all his own. He has taken a little of all of his experiences, good and bad, and the personalities he knows, and created his own belief system. His basis of everything now is LOVE. Love and total acceptance of anyone and any situation EXCEPT...hate. He will no longer tolerate any hate in his life and avoids it at all costs. Yes, CP influenced him but it was mainly as a friend and he was supportive of the changes in his life. I understand that CP stills believes in some level of sin just that we really won't have to pay for it because Jesus did that for us...Christian really does not believe in sin anymore. Everyone will be saved and they need to go ahead and accept it now and live in God's love and have a better life here for doing that. Really, it's not even about being saved or lost anymore, just love or hate and happy or miserable. Heaven and Hell are here and now and you get whichever one acccording to your choice of demeanor and life style and attitude. There is some CP there but with a CG spin. Is this clear as mud? Exactly

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Since you are new here everyone on this forum knows I do NOT believe anyone is saved without obeying Acts 2:38 and believing the Oneness of God.
Yet do I do think some are very sincere and he was one of them. I talked with him at length about his veiws on the Godhead he seemed confused somewhat. He was NOT a classical Trinitarian though raised COGIC.

I know who you are and what you believe. Christian spoke of you on several occasions. I think you and I perhaps have a different definition of the word sincere. I think he still is one of them. I really think that is such a misused word. I don't know anyone who is not sincere about anything in their life that matters to them, whether it is spiritual or job related or about their kiddos. Are you trying to say that you believe at one time he was in line with scriptures or at least trying to be? I think he is probably more sincere now than ever before because he has a message he feels everyone needs to hear that has never heard before, including you and me and all tradional religious people. Wouldn't you say?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by bcarolb

I know who you are and what you believe. Christian spoke of you on several occasions. I think you and I perhaps have a different definition of the word sincere. I think he still is one of them. I really think that is such a misused word. I don't know anyone who is not sincere about anything in their life that matters to them, whether it is spiritual or job related or about their kiddos. Are you trying to say that you believe at one time he was in line with scriptures or at least trying to be? I think he is probably more sincere now than ever before because he has a message he feels everyone needs to hear that has never heard before, including you and me and all tradional religious people. Wouldn't you say?

In my simple way the way I use sincere is they are honest hearted searching for God but in what they are doing they are deluted-decieved and probably reprobate(I hope not) thus they cannot distinquish truth from error. It is all about them and nothing about God or truth. Not trying to be unkind but that is my simple analysis of folks like them.

[Sister Alvear]

Attention : Thad...I wrote you an answer but it keeps coming back can you pm me your e mail address or how to send it to you. thanks

[Sister Alvear]

sorry...got it sent...

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by bcarolb

SISTER ALVEAR!!!! WHAT A BLESSING TO "HEAR YOUR VOICE". This is Sister Barber. Tarah will be so touched to know you took the time to send this to her and her babies. We do covet your prayers. There are so many tragedies and heartaches attached to this situation. We talk to Christian constantly, He and Tarah talk several times a week. He always does the calling. He has been trying so hard to reverse the damage he inflicted on his family during the last few years. He has decided his kids are better off if they don't see him too much. It is all very sad. Again, thank you. We love you folks dearly.

And you folks, we love you all so much. Just yesterday one of my boys (Michael) asked me about you all. We still are using the sewing machines you all gave us. I am glad you all talk with Christian. I have many fond memories of him and am so sorry things went the way they did but am glad Tarah is doing well. She is SO precious. Your daughters are so sweet of course they had a sweet mom and dad so they took after you both. We love you all. Your Friend: Sister Alvear

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

And you folks, we love you all so much. Just yesterday one of my boys (Michael) asked me about you all. We still are using the sewing machines you all gave us. I am glad you all talk with Christian. I have many fond memories of him and am so sorry things went the way they did but am glad Tarah is doing well. She is SO precious. Your daughters are so sweet of course they had a sweet mom and dad so they took after you both. We love you all. Your Friend: Sister Alvear

Such kind words, thank you. I will let everyone know about the machines. So little that we could do but I am astute enough to realize what a huge difference it can make in everyday life. At the risk of sounding too over-the-top, let me say I am humbled and sooo uplifted by your taking time to contact us personally. Great Blessings to you and yours and tell them all they are in our prayers. Love you folks. With great respect I say, Your Friend: Sister Barber

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

In my simple way the way I use sincere is they are honest hearted searching for God but in what they are doing they are deluted-decieved and probably reprobate(I hope not) thus they cannot distinquish truth from error. It is all about them and nothing about God or truth. Not trying to be unkind but that is my simple analysis of folks like them.

sincere



Main Entry: sin·cere
Pronunciation: \sin-ˈsir, sən-\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): sin·cer·er; sin·cer·est
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin sincerus whole, pure, genuine, probably from sem- one + -cerus (akin to Latin crescere to grow) — more at same, crescent
Date: 1533
1 a: free of dissimulation : honest <a sincere interest> b: free from adulteration : pure <a sincere doctrine> <sincere wine>
2: marked by genuineness : true
— sin·cere·ly adverb
— sin·cere·ness noun
synonyms sincere, wholehearted, heartfelt, hearty, unfeigned mean genuine in feeling. sincere stresses absence of hypocrisy, feigning, or any falsifying embellishment or exaggeration <a sincere apology>. wholehearted suggests sincerity and earnest devotion without reservation or misgiving <promised our wholehearted support>. heartfelt suggests depth of genuine feeling outwardly expressed <expresses our heartfelt gratitude>. hearty suggests honesty, warmth, and exuberance in displaying feeling <received a hearty welcome>. unfeigned stresses spontaneity and absence of pretense <her unfeigned delight at receiving the award>.

You don't know me so I will go ahead and tell you now; There is nothing simple about me and I won't pretend there is. I am one of those who digs and digs to get at the heart of a matter. Christian and I used to go on for hours because we are of like personality where that is concerned. It did not even matter the subject. It was just for fun but we could get quite heated. I appreciate the time you are taking to further explain. I just have always considered sincerity to be more broad in application than just doctrine or belief systems. It is an adjective that describes the heart or how we act or feel about a subject matter. Not the subject matter itself. To say CP was or is sincere is a given. To say he is right or wrong is the debatable part...not his sincerity. Hence the ly on the end of sincere. It denotes a discription of the attitude concerning the subject matter and the individual expressing the subject. Case in point?...I figure you are sincerely done with me and this subject matter 'bout now. LOL =} I dare say you are a debater and there's nothing simple about you either. [QUOTE=Steve Epley;280156]In my simple way??? I don't buy that for a minute. I have known and still do know many simple people and although I don't know you too well, I sincerely doubt you fit that category. I am having a blast, btw, I have lost my debater and I miss him.

[revrandy]

The Bible speaks of the Blind leading the Blind...and both fall....

A person can be sincerely wrong....but that won't change God's Word...