Ministerial Ethics, Dropping Out and TV: Did You Forget You Agreed to This?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by ILG

LOL! Well, we all believe ourselves to be sensible. But I too agree that less government is better in many cases.

Except when they are whining about the fellowship not enforcing the AS.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Except when they are whining about the fellowship not enforcing the AS.

Well, the point about that is, why have the AS if it is not enforced? The cons believe strongly in their version of doctrinal purity and believe in separation from what they deem doctrinal impurity. It's not so contradictory as it may seem. However, I do see your point as well.

[meBNme]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

What happens when someone calls you up to join but then turns around and says just don't mention my call to your current leadership?

And why would they do that?
Do you know of anyone who has done so?
Why do you automatically assume the worst of a brother?

What if, what if, what if, we can what if about all the bad scenarios we can conjure up until all the air is gone from the room and we pass out, but all that does is spread more unfounded, nonfactual rumors, and tearing down of brothers in the Lord. Why oh why do we do this?
How about hope for, and pray for the best, uplift a brother and give the benefit of a doubt?

Do we have to agree in order to love and speak positively of someone?

Now, in the event that some exception to the rule (and yes, I believe the majority are sincerely seeking what is right) breaks away and starts doing unethical things, Then they should be dealt with.
But to just assume the worst and bring up scenarios of wrongdoing (doesn't the Bible call that "evil imaginations"?) is immature, irresponsible, and all it does is spread strife and discord.

What if Bro Johnny Godair sprouts horns and a tail and starts a Mormon catholic fellowship? That's no more ridiculous than accusations of "breaking unity, and excommunicating, and unethically sneaking around trying to break up the UPC" that have been floating around here.

How about this? What if Brother Godair just simply has a strong conviction about a stand that has been made, and cannot justify going to his church and telling them that something is now OK that once was wrong? What if he simply is standing for what he believes is right, and does not want to break fellowship with close friends and church family, so he gets together with like minded people to form an org that will allow those who wish to remain UPC to do so, and allow fellowship with those who feel compelled to break away?

What if..... what if the meeting is meant to preserve unity and not destroy it?

Why must we assume and accuse the worst of people we call "brothers"?

[meBNme]

That last post sounded a little harsher than I intended it.
Only a small portion was aimed directly at you DA, the majority was addressing an overall spirit in many of the posts/threads I have seen here.




BTW, congrats on the spanish ministry!

The UPC Spanish general super is Sergio Vitansa, who shares land and a building with us, and started out as a daughter work. It is AMAZING to see the changes transform their lives!
God bless you in that work!

[AmazingGrace]

Me,

That would be nice if that was what the meeting is for however we do know for a fact thats not what its about! Its been stated clearly that its to form a new "fellowship"

I wouldnt have so much of a problem with these men if they would just admit what they are doing and not pretend there is nothing but a meeting happening. Be honest for cryin out loud and then it wouldnt be so hard to accept??

[meBNme]

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

Me,

That would be nice if that was what the meeting is for however we do know for a fact thats not what its about! Its been stated clearly that its to form a new "fellowship"

I wouldnt have so much of a problem with these men if they would just admit what they are doing and not pretend there is nothing but a meeting happening. Be honest for cryin out loud and then it wouldnt be so hard to accept??

But what is wrong with a new fellowship?
Does it mean that anyone who is a part of the new fellowship can no longer fellowship with UPCers?

Some of us are ASSUMING that there is a nefarious plan going on, but what proof is there of that?

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by meBNme

But what is wrong with a new fellowship?
Does it mean that anyone who is a part of the new fellowship can no longer fellowship with UPCers?

Some of us are ASSUMING that there is a nefarious plan going on, but what proof is there of that?

I never said that. My biggest put off with the whole thing is that they are saying they arent starting a new one when we know they are.

Seriously it is no big deal and as we have stated many times before on here that if they want to leave they are probably better off because if they dont want to be in it... they wont have a heart for it and that can be more hurtful to the saints than anything.

Like I said I am not worried about it but it would be nice to have some honesty

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

I never said that. My biggest put off with the whole thing is that they are saying they arent starting a new one when we know they are.

Seriously it is no big deal and as we have stated many times before on here that if they want to leave they are probably better off because if they dont want to be in it... they wont have a heart for it and that can be more hurtful to the saints than anything.

Like I said I am not worried about it but it would be nice to have some honesty

Huh?

You may have some guys denying it, but the men in charge have been saying that they are starting a fellowship.

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Huh?

You may have some guys denying it, but the men in charge have been saying that they are starting a fellowship.

Sorry the wording I meant to use was Organization (same difference as the upc is also a fellowship) and I know they are. However in the beginning it seemed as tho they were denying it and it just really seemed not real cool.

[Coonskinner]

Ag, I think the thing has evolved some since the very beginning.

I believe there was some difference in the mindsets of some of the principal players at the outset, but they are coming together and refining the concept as they go.

I do NOT believe there was any attempt to be decitful at any time during the process.