Do we have to pay tithes?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I really have no questions, was only truthfully starting a discussion is it. But I do see what you are saying about Him being born of a woman, and under the law. Also being out of the tribe of Judah.

The Jews that would've seen Him as the Messiah would've seen Him as a fufillment of Malachi 3:1-4.

"You see what I'm saying." Does that mean you agree with me?

There is a misconception that under the Old Covenant, of which the Mosaic Law was part, that men of God were eligible to receive the tithe. The fact is, being a prophet, a preacher, or otherwise a man of God, had no bearing on whether you were to receive the Levitical tithe. There was only one thing that qualified you to receive a portion of the Levitical tithe.

You had to be a Levite. Just for an example, Elisha was a prophet, right? Yet he was not a Levite, therefore he could not share in the tithe. The tithe was tied to the temple system. It supported the Levites and priests (who were also Levites) to serve in the temple.

David was a prophet and a king, but it was illegal for him to eat the tithe of the Levites. This may help eliminate some confusion.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

David was a prophet and a king, but it was illegal for him to eat the tithe of the Levites. This may help eliminate some confusion.

Not illegal if you needed it.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Just as a general observation, you are seeing tithes where there are no tithes, and you are not seeing the details of tithing, where they are plainly stated. You are assuming, perhaps that firstfruits are tithes. They are not. One of the distinctions between firstfruits and tithes were the route that they followed. Tithes were given to the Levites (in the case of the Levitical tithe of course) and the Levites tithed of the tithes to the priests. The firstfruits were given directly to the priests.

In the case of the Levitical tithe, the priests only received a tenth of the Levitical tithe.

I didn't say anything about tithes bro, I just quoted a scripture. Post 368, was about 2 different things, it was only a response.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Not illegal if you needed it.

You are absolutely correct. David stole the shewbread and shared it with his men. He broke the law, but it was permissable because he was hungry. I think I remember reading that stealing was okay if you were starving and you stole the food to survive.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Wow. You are indeed one to talk. How can you preach to me about having the right spirit when you resort to childish attacks like "you obviously don't want to give" when your arguments fall flat?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You are absolutely correct. David stole the shewbread and shared it with his men. He broke the law, but it was permissable because he was hungry. I think I remember reading that stealing was okay if you were starving and you stole the food to survive.

Proverbs 6:30-31 "Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry; [31] But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house."

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

"You see what I'm saying." Does that mean you agree with me?

There is a misconception that under the Old Covenant, of which the Mosaic Law was part, that men of God were eligible to receive the tithe. The fact is, being a prophet, a preacher, or otherwise a man of God, had no bearing on whether you were to receive the Levitical tithe. There was only one thing that qualified you to receive a portion of the Levitical tithe.

You had to be a Levite. Just for an example, Elisha was a prophet, right? Yet he was not a Levite, therefore he could not share in the tithe. The tithe was tied to the temple system. It supported the Levites and priests (who were also Levites) to serve in the temple.

David was a prophet and a king, but it was illegal for him to eat the tithe of the Levites. This may help eliminate some confusion.

I'll agree with most you said. I still give from my first fruits but I can see what you're saying.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You are absolutely correct. David stole the shewbread and shared it with his men. He broke the law, but it was permissable because he was hungry. I think I remember reading that stealing was okay if you were starving and you stole the food to survive.

Actually it isn't permissible Proverbs 30:9. Proverbs 6:30 is debatable depending on the interpretation of the verse. It doesn't mean the individual is off the hook. It just means that the fault is a lesser degree. Meaning the judgement of the law depended on motive. Still Matthew's King David taking the shew bread in placed in the context of the Sabbath. How the priest labored on the sabbath and were guiltless. Same as the poor, hungry, orphans, and widows partaking in the things given unto the Levites Deuteronomy 26:12.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I'll agree with most you said. I still give from my first fruits but I can see what you're saying.

I'm pretty sure it is impossible to give tithes from first fruits. It just goes to show how confused the subject has become.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Actually it isn't permissible Proverbs 30:9. Proverbs 6:30 is debatable depending on the interpretation of the verse. It doesn't mean the individual is off the hook. It just means that the fault is a lesser degree. Meaning the judgement of the law depended on motive. Still Matthew's King David taking the shew bread in placed in the context of the Sabbath. How the priest labored on the sabbath and were guiltless. Same as the poor, hungry, orphans, and widows partaking in the things given unto the Levites Deuteronomy 26:12.

Yes, you are right about the stealing thing. David is a little different situation. I have heard people that said David was a priest because he ate the shewbread, or because he called for or even wore the linen ephod, but Jesus makes it clear that David eating the shewbread was illegal because it was only for the priests. Evidently Jesus did not consider David a priest.