Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

No one is arguing this. We all have the mission to reach out to ALL people. Yet going to gay marriages and standing by someones side as they have an abortion isn't "reaching out" any more than sitting on the bed while someone commits adultery is loving the adulterer.

Keep dreaming up scenarios and I'll just keep saying the same thing. The end result is, I have the privilege of being in relationship with many people that don't meet the religious code and the result of that is, I have the opportunity to minister. Currently, I have a gay man sitting with my family every Sunday at church. He's giving God another try after many, many years being away. We haven't talked about it yet. But he's there every week, weeping through almost every service. He knows where we stand and when the door opens and he's ready, we'll be there for him...as a result of relationship.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by DAII

I read perfectly Jason ... you are a theocrat ... a Puritan who would burn witches at Salem for not practicing the state religion... torture Jews for usury during the Spanish Inquisition and massacre Muslims in the name of God during the Crusades.

Novel enough ... or shall I ratchet up the shock and awe?

I'd hate to call you an apostolic legalist or UPCIer again.

Whew.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by DAII

No Jason ... seriously .... lets do it the biblical way ... we need to stone children for disobeying their parents ... capital punishment is of God ... and children need to know .... what biblical authority is.

What does Jefferson or Madison have on this????

Do it once on your block ... and that'll straighten all 'em out. They wouldn't dare to even lust in their hearts if you told them not to.

How foolish. This isn't about Law & Grace. This isn't about legislating righteousness. We don't and cannot make enough laws to save. If there WAS a Law that could save it would be the Mosiac Law, yet the Bible plainly tells us EVEN that LAW couldn't save.

However making laws which protect the open practice of sin, whether it is homosexuality (leagal in the US), adultery (legal in the US), pronography (leaal in the US), abortion(legal in the US),etc. Doesn't bring freedom, doesn't clear the way for the gospel, but only brings more bondage, more judgment, more grief, more suicides, more of everything evil.

Okaying sin IN ANY VENUE (public or private, secular or religious) NEVER leads to ANYTHING GOOD.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Yes, I would hope so. I wanted them to know that I approved of them as individuals and loved them dearly. They got the message.

Do I approve of everything going on in their lives? Probably not. I"m sure I could say the same about you but if I had attended your wedding, I would have brought you a gift.

I think about John the baptist reproving Herod for his unlawful marriage, not approval whatsoever individual or marriage wise.

Would you go to a wedding founded off adultery?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Keep dreaming up scenarios and I'll just keep saying the same thing. The end result is, I have the privilege of being in relationship with many people that don't meet the religious code and the result of that is, I have the opportunity to minister. Currently, I have a gay man sitting with my family every Sunday at church. He's giving God another try after many, many years being away. We haven't talked about it yet. But he's there every week, weeping through almost every service. He knows where we stand and when the door opens and he's ready, we'll be there for him...as a result of relationship.

And at WHAT time did I ever say one thing against a gay person siting with you at church? Thats where they need to be. And hopefully you'll preach the word in the right way so that He will feel the love of God, and yet know His need for reprentance, including homosexuality.

I'm not saying shove it down his throat and run him off, God forbid.

However can you honestly not see the difference betwen a homosexual person coming to church (thereby in one way or another recognizing His need for God) and YOU going out to the homosexuals, not to minister or teach a Bible study, but to attend a "wedding" and then give them a gift?

[James Griffin]

You guys seem to have a firm death grip on hate the sin.

Much much to learn what it means to love the sinner.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by canam

Just the facts Sam are you teling me that when someone asks you to do something that has always been against your basic convictions, that you need to take time to CONSIDER IT?(his words) THAT IS A FARCE ! So someone asks me to get drunk ! and i have to take time to consider it, etc etc come on Sam anyone that does that is living a lie.

I needed time to consider my response and to pray and ask God for wisdom in responding. That's probably a foreign concept for you.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

How foolish. This isn't about Law & Grace. This isn't about legislating righteousness. We don't and cannot make enough laws to save. If there WAS a Law that could save it would be the Mosiac Law, yet the Bible plainly tells us EVEN that LAW couldn't save.

However making laws which protect the open practice of sin, whether it is homosexuality (leagal in the US), adultery (legal in the US), pronography (leaal in the US), abortion(legal in the US),etc. Doesn't bring freedom, doesn't clear the way for the gospel, but only brings more bondage, more judgment, more grief, more suicides, more of everything evil.

Okaying sin IN ANY VENUE (public or private, secular or religious) NEVER leads to ANYTHING GOOD.

Why have you stopped with sexual sins and murder, Skippy? Greed, avarice, pride, haughtiness and hate have wreaked more havoc on this world ... as has not having any other God than the Lord thy God ... COMMANDMENT NUMERO UNO ... YOU NEED TO BE CONSISTENT, JEFE ...

You don't believe in freedom of religion, do you? You're not making it okay to practice idolatry and witchcraft in any venue .... are you?

I can name a sin and tell you the bondage, grief and abject evil it has caused ... with the same ease as you. The wages of all sin is death ... and yet concede that certain sins bring a unique set of consequences among us mortals.

Yet the writer in Romans also tell us ...

The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more

Continuing to say that believing in equal protection under the law is ... is an open endorsement or stamp of approval of sin, sir ... condemns even you.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

And at WHAT time did I ever say one thing against a gay person siting with you at church? Thats where they need to be. And hopefully you'll preach the word in the right way so that He will feel the love of God, and yet know His need for reprentance, including homosexuality.

I'm not saying shove it down his throat and run him off, God forbid.

However can you honestly not see the difference betwen a homosexual person coming to church (thereby in one way or another recognizing His need for God) and YOU going out to the homosexuals, not to minister or teach a Bible study, but to attend a "wedding" and then give them a gift?

There are things about you I don't care for. I'm gonna go out on the limb and say there are certain sins that could easily ensnare you and that you struggle with.......and I would go to your wedding, too, and get you a gift.

So the people who get married that invite you to their wedding......do they EARN your attendance or do you go because you love them?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

There are things about you I don't care for. I'm gonna go out on the limb and say there are certain sins that could easily ensnare you and that you struggle with.......and I would go to your wedding, too, and get you a gift.

So the people who get married that invite you to their wedding......do they EARN your attendance or do you go because you love them?

Originally Posted by James Griffin

You guys seem to have a firm death grip on hate the sin.

Much much to learn what it means to love the sinner.

The concept of the Bible is unconditional love PERIOD, not I will love them if I see potential they will change.