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07-01-2008, 03:13 PM
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Cross-examine it!
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Re: Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or
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Originally Posted by Ron
Footwashing?????
Are you serious? Footwashing is an example given by Jesus whereby we should serve one another!
Communion? While communion isn't commanded, it just states as oft as you do this.
Baptism is tied to Salvation, it is the means by which the blood of Jesus is applied.
Jesus died on a cross & purchased for me a salvation I could not earn.
Repentance, Water Baptism, & receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost are my parts in this NT Covenant!
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you have tied salvation to baptism, IMO, contrary to Scripture which tells us a number of times that Salvation is tied to belief.
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07-01-2008, 03:13 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
For those of you that do not beleive what I am saying about the baptiso meaning different things....here you can watch a message where he spells it out completely. I also beleive this church baptizes in Jesus name too. It is not a short video, but watch and you will see. Then try to debunk it.
http://www.northpoint.org/index.php?.../page/baptism3 |
I already addressed this. If you can't argue it yourself then there is no point dragging it out. The word always mean to completely cover an object. When the object is the hands it might be translated dip or wash, but still the idea is to cover totally every surface of the hands. When it is the body it is still the same idea: To cover fully with water when the topic is water baptism not Spirit baptism. You can't just translate it any way you want to without considering the context and the historical usage.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-01-2008, 03:15 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Re: Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
Gentelmen. Look it up. There is much more than one meaning to the original word used. You gotta look it up...can't go by just what others say.
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In the Bible, JT, the word means to immerse. Given the fact that the new believers were all immersed in water, I would say it's safe to conclude Jesus meant water baptism in Mark 16:16. Call it a stretch if you must, but I am very confident that Jesus was talking about water baptism.
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07-01-2008, 03:16 PM
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Re: Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
you have tied salvation to baptism, IMO, contrary to Scripture which tells us a number of times that Salvation is tied to belief.
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Salvation is tied to belief in what Christ has done & the Apostles taught!
Men & brethren what do we do?
REPENT & BE BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS & RECIEVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST!
Sounds plain to me.
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07-01-2008, 03:17 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Re: Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or
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Originally Posted by Ron
Footwashing?????
Are you serious? Footwashing is an example given by Jesus whereby we should serve one another!
Communion? While communion isn't commanded, it just states as oft as you do this.
Baptism is tied to Salvation, it is the means by which the blood of Jesus is applied.
Jesus died on a cross & purchased for me a salvation I could not earn.
Repentance, Water Baptism, & receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost are my parts in this NT Covenant!
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I would argue that He did command we observe communion. He did say, "This do in remembrance of me."
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07-01-2008, 03:17 PM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Re: Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I already addressed this. If you can't argue it yourself then there is no point dragging it out. The word always mean to completely cover an object. When the object is the hands it might be translated dip or wash, but still the idea is to cover totally every surface of the hands. When it is the body it is still the same idea: To cover fully with water when the topic is water baptism not Spirit baptism. You can't just translate it any way you want to without considering the context and the historical usage.
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Originally Posted by Rico
In the Bible, JT, the word means to immerse. Given the fact that the new believers were all immersed in water, I would say it's safe to conclude Jesus meant water baptism in Mark 16:16. Call it a stretch if you must, but I am very confident that Jesus was talking about water baptism. |
Just watch it and then tell me what you think. It is simple
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07-01-2008, 03:19 PM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Re: Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or
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Originally Posted by Ron
Salvation is tied to belief in what Christ has done & the Apostles taught!
Men & brethren what do we do?
REPENT & BE BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS & RECIEVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST!
Sounds plain to me.
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I love it.....What do we do......I always heard this as 'what do we do-to be saved?' You know what? In Acts I think it is 2:19 Peter tells them what to do to be saved and then tells them to go on a be baptized and so forth.
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"If we don't learn to live together we're gonna die alone"
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07-01-2008, 03:19 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
Just watch it and then tell me what you think. It is simple
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i've already heard the argument. I can look at the greek too and research it. What is the point in watching someone's polemic when I can't refute it at the same time?
Like I said, if you can present the arguments here I can address them. But what I just posted I did not make up. Get some study tools, research it yourself. Don't accept my word or that video
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-01-2008, 03:20 PM
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Cross-examine it!
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Orcutt, CA.
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Re: Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or
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Originally Posted by Ron
Salvation is tied to belief in what Christ has done & the Apostles taught!
Men & brethren what do we do?
REPENT & BE BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS & RECIEVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST!
Sounds plain to me.
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John:316
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Acts 2:19
And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
Sounds plain to me.
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07-01-2008, 03:20 PM
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Re: Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I already addressed this. If you can't argue it yourself then there is no point dragging it out. The word always mean to completely cover an object. When the object is the hands it might be translated dip or wash, but still the idea is to cover totally every surface of the hands. When it is the body it is still the same idea: To cover fully with water when the topic is water baptism not Spirit baptism. You can't just translate it any way you want to without considering the context and the historical usage.
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You are correct. The washing in the water is what it means. Listen or watch it..might take 45 minutes.
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