The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[SDG]

any willful disobedience will jeopardize our salvation ... but to make the Holy Ghost an obstacle as many have ... is wrong.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Felicity ....No one has ever said it's an optional experience ... what is in question is it's presentation ....

I heard it preached as salvational and non-salvational.

I was just hungry for all of God I could get and I wanted "the Holy Ghost" as we always called it. I never believed even sitting under a PAJC believing pastor and ministering in the UPCI for almost 25 years that it was necessary for regeneration or salvation.

I tried to believe it. I worked at it. I studied Scripture and listened to the most skillful with the Word present that doctrinal view but never could I get it to mesh with scripture or experience.

I'm still looking for someone to convince me. I have an open mind and heart. And why not? There would be no sense in closing my mind to this if it is truth. I simply cannot see where it is and it has nothing to do with stubborn proud refusal to believe or accept that it is truth..

I've sat in meeting after meeting through the years.....church, campmeetings, conferences, teaching seminars, read books, read and pored over and through Scripture, sat and talked to others who hold that view and sought God but never has my mind or heart been satisfied with the teaching that every man and woman who has never spoken in tongues i.e. received a Spirit baptism will spend eternity in hell in spite of their love for God, and their faith in Him and living for Him to the best of their ability and their natures and hearts having been regenerated and changed through the power and Spirit of Almighty God.

I'm still open.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

is loving your neighbor necessary for salvation ... c'mon RR ... you knowest.

Today I speak of how the movement has taught and presented this necessity ...

Is what is necessary to obtain the only thing necessary to maintain?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

any willful disobedience will jeopardize our salvation ... but to make the Holy Ghost an obstacle as many have ... is wrong.

An obstacle? Seriously? How about an empowerment; A Comforter; An Advocate; A Quickening Agent; etc.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by rrford

Is what is necessary to obtain the only thing necessary to maintain?

salvation is through faith ...from faith to faith ... yet some will tell you that it wont kick in until you go through the car wash ... then perhaps you've made it ...

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

salvation is through faith ...from faith to faith ... yet some will tell you that it wont kick in until you go through the car wash ... then perhaps you've made it ...

Some will tell you correctly that faith without works is dead. True faith that leads to faith is demonstrated.

As Bonhoeffer said "Only he who believes, obeys; and only who obeys, believes."

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

salvation is through faith ...from faith to faith ... yet some will tell you that it wont kick in until you go through the car wash ... then perhaps you've made it ...

Shouldn't those that believe act on that belief? If you don't act can you really say you believed?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by rrford

An obstacle? Seriously? How about an empowerment; A Comforter; An Advocate; A Quickening Agent; etc.

Oh cmon RR .....our movement is filled w/ hundreds who have not spoken in tongues after weeks ... months ... years of seeking .... they go through marathon sessions with folks yelling and coaching them in their ears ... while patting them on the back ... giving them hound dog eyes and a wince if they don't receive it that night ... and must go home thinking they will be lost for eternity until it happens ... or worse .. the feel rejected and despondent and turn to sin once again ...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by rrford

Some will tell you correctly that faith without works is dead. True faith that leads to faith is demonstrated.

As Bonhoeffer said "Only he who believes, obeys; and only who obeys, believes."

but faith does not vaildate my works ... my works validate my faith.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

but faith does not vaildate my works ... my works validate my faith.

Exactly!