Should we teach others to rebel against standards?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Practice makes perfect.

I feel like I've graduated.


From kindergarten to first grade!

One of these days I'll be a grown-up.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Do you see a pastor and an elder as equals? Just curious. EB said that an elder could act as a pastor or in other ways, which I agree with. An elder is not listed in the five-fold ministry. What are your thoughts on this?

What is the definition of the elder?

I believe the elder to be above the Pastor. My pastor has elders that are in other places, and they oversee him. Now the way you see elders in a lot of churches under the Pastor I question that method. Because I've gone to churches where that is, how it is. But there could be elders in the sense of 1 Timothy 5:1 in the assembly "Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren."

But I see 1 Timothy 5:17-19 to be something different "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. [18] For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. [19] Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses." This would be in the context of my Pastors elders. One being his pastor and the other 2 being like a counsel.

We truthfully obey his elders through him. They advise him tell him the way he should do things, and he is our mouth piece. If our pastor was to get into false doctrine we would relate it to them. And they would handle him, and handle the situation. We have a Bishop, but the elders work under the bishop. So its the Bishop, elders, Pastor. The apostles were the bishops of the church. See Acts 1:16-20.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I believe the elder to be above the Pastor. My pastor has elders that are in other places, and they oversee him. Now the way you see elders in a lot of churches under the Pastor I question that method. Because I've gone to churches where that is, how it is. But there could be elders in the sense of 1 Timothy 5:1 in the assembly "Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren."

But I see 1 Timothy 5:17-19 to be something different "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. [18] For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. [19] Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses." This would be in the context of my Pastors elders. One being his pastor and the other 2 being like a counsel.

We truthfully obey his elders through him. They advise him tell him the way he should do things, and he is our mouth piece. If our pastor was to get into false doctrine we would relate it to them. And they would handle him, and handle the situation.

This is interesting. I have to take a break. I'd like to discuss this with you later.

Have a good afternoon.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

This is interesting. I have to take a break. I'd like to discuss this with you later.

Have a good afternoon.

But here's your chance to try out what you learned about posting.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris, do you think before posting? Bro, appalling isn't the word for it. Down right stupid, and even more so that you would post it again for everyone to read. When you thought it was appalling at that moment was the time to ditch it, and figure out another way to relay it to us. But, you also did this before in the dress thread. Which therefore would lead me to believe that you are either unwise, or a pervert yourself. I'll give you unwise, maybe even stump ignorant.



Then you save face with the above comment. You are pretty quick with turning the tables. It is a wonder how you still have all your teeth. But, think about it Chris, you post some inappropriate garbage at times. Do you remember where you suggested that we should have a certain room which couldn't be accessed by lukers where you could be "discrete?" You also mentioned that there where "Christian" forums where the members talked about smut in private? Sorry, no cookie, you have failed to accuse me of sin, and therefore you can contemplate this on the tree of woe. SMH.

Let's get the facts straight... it was the marriage and intimacy section of a Christian forum that only members 18 and older had access to. You paint it like some crazy Christian porn forum. At what point do these mischaracterizations become lies EB?

This is what I mean, you're an institutional guy... and it seems like you can't paint a true picture for the life of you. lol

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Let's get the facts straight... it was the marriage intamacy section of a Christian forum that only members 18 an older had access to.

I just want to interject and make a observation here. Whatever website was like even though it may of bore the name of "Christian forum", had nothing to do with Christ; regardless what it may if said in the address bar bro. Marriage intamacy huh? Sounds like a section in a Cosmopolitan magazine!

[houston]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I just want to interject and make a observation here. Whatever website was like even though it may of bore the name of "Christian forum", had nothing to do with Christ; regardless what it may if said in the address bar bro. Marriage intamacy huh? Sounds like a section in a Cosmopolitan magazine!

Hey, at Paula White’s church her 20th husband told the congregation to look at porn so they’d learn stuff to help their marriage.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Let's get the facts straight... it was the marriage and intimacy section of a Christian forum that only members 18 and older had access to. You paint it like some crazy Christian porn forum. At what point do these mischaracterizations become lies EB?

This is what I mean, you're an institutional guy... and it seems like you can't paint a true picture for the life of you. lol

Chris, my picture is accurate and 1ofthechosen commented on your post. Drawing the same conclusion. Just clean up your act a bit that's all.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by houston

Hey, at Paula White’s church her 20th husband told the congregation to look at porn so they’d learn stuff to help their marriage.

Those people are under the influence of the kundalini spirit, so that just means they are under control of the devil, so makes a lot of sense.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris, my picture is accurate and 1ofthechosen commented on your post. Drawing the same conclusion. Just clean up your act a bit that's all.

No it isn't.

You guys color the water of the discussion, and fly the lies, under the banner of this feigned self-righteousness and no one calls you on it. And in fact, if someone does, all you have to do is give one or two wise cracks, and you have all "thumbs ups" coming your way. And another poster likens what was spoken about to pastors advocating porn (when that isn't even close to the reality in question, but rather reflects the twisted and contrived version of it that you created because it made you uncomfortable). Yet, I'm not lying to you about anything. In fact, I'm far more open and honest than perhaps I should be.

I do apologize if the truth of the that conversation was a bit upsetting. But, I gave it to you in living color, straight up, just as it was, so that we didn't have thirty posts over the issue because I veiled its reality for the squeamish. You know, there have been times when I've suggested that something was implied and then I'm told something to the effect of, "If we knew exactly what he said, I'm sure we'd be able to show you how you're mischaracterizing what he meant." And then if I post something in full disclosure, I hear, "That was too much, what's wrong with you?", and I'm bashed for thirty posts. And still... no one comments on the point I made in what was revealed.

There's only one reason for that....