Okay, first of all, I believe there is a heaven and an afterlife. But! You can't disprove a lot of things. For example, if I told you there was a giant blue elephant in your living room, you could say "No there isn't, I don't see one", and I could say it's invisible. And you could say "But I can't feel it" and I could say "it's a ghost" etc. The bottom line is you can't disprove there is a giant blue elephant in your living room and if I were manipulative and you were easily swayed, I could get you to tip-toe when it's "sleeping" and not make noise for fear you would wake it, etc. This is the scary part about things that are not provable. We need to take care that we do not allow people to manipulate us with things that are not provable just because they may be in a position of authority or a position to sway us.
I agree, you can certainly answer whatever you want and I won't say you can't say it.
The afterlife is provable so there is nothing scary about it. There are certainly questions regarding the details but there is just as much "proof" for the afterlife as there is for the law of gravity.
I agree, we do need to take care that we do not allow people to manipulate us. Thats why we must study things for ourselves, pray to God for ourselves, come to our own conclusions, not just take someone's word for it, no matter what their position or title, etc.
And you have fun with that giant blue elephant. Post a picture.
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"The only thing worse than murder in the desert is to know where the water is and not tell it!"
Life after death cannot be disproven either. It's really a 50/50 chance. Their either is or there isn't. Now, I do know that researchers have studied thousands of cases of near death experiences wherein people describe very similar circumstances (tunnels of light, benevolent angels or spiritual beings, a bright loving light beyond description, the presence of loved ones, etc. There was even a story wherein a child with a near death experience tried to describe Jesus and really couldn't to a satisfactory degree. Then he saw some artwork from another country, a depiction of Jesus. He went nuts saying that the picture comes closest to what Jesus looks like. Turns out... the artwork was from another child from another country who had had a near death experience also.
So we don't have any proof... but we do have statements from those who have claimed to witness it. Each statement is strikingly similar in many facets. If the similarities from all these people who never met were compared... it might just hold up in court if they were to be treated like witnesses in a criminal trial.
So, while the chances are 50/50... we do have some who have come back with a claim that offsets the odds in favor of the afterlife.
Thousands and thousands, with more happening all the time. Not limited to denominations and certain religions.
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1 Timothy 4:9-10
9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
The afterlife is provable so there is nothing scary about it. There are certainly questions regarding the details but there is just as much "proof" for the afterlife as there is for the law of gravity.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
How in the world did my words about seeing more and more answers to prayer incite you to challenge me to a showdown where someone is afflicted purposely to see if my prayer would heal them, . . . .
I'm sorry, but I just have to come back to this and !
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Have you personally measured and proven gravity or have you just taken some scientists word for it?
How can you say that gravity is a fact when you yourself have not measured or proven it? Is it because you have EXPERIENCED it for yourself? You have accepted it as fact?
You seem to readily accept this "law of gravity" as fact but yet if you do a little research, you will find scientists are still researching this so called law and there are some scientists that state it is not a "law" but rather remains only a theory because it has NOT been proven.
Opinions? Most certainly. Based on experiences, observations, theories, ideas, feelings, but not necessarily based on any cold, hard, proven, cut in stone evidence.
We each much choose what to believe, what to accept as fact and what to accept as the basis for our choices.
You must live on the moon! WOW! And you want to tell people about the Afterlife?
"GRACE, short for Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment, is a NASA mission consisting of twin satellites that were launched in 2002. The satellites are in the same orbit around Earth, one about 220 kilometers (137 miles) in front of the other at an altitude of 460 kilometers (286 miles) above the Earth's surface. Together, they measure Earth's gravity field with a precision greater than any previous instrument.
How does GRACE measure gravity?
As the lead satellite passes over an area on Earth of slightly stronger gravity, it detects an increased gravitational pull and speeds up ever so slightly, thus increasing its distance from the trailing satellite. Conversely, the lead satellite slows down when it passes over an area of slightly weaker gravity, decreasing the distance between the two satellites."
The afterlife is provable so there is nothing scary about it. There are certainly questions regarding the details but there is just as much "proof" for the afterlife as there is for the law of gravity.
I agree, we do need to take care that we do not allow people to manipulate us. Thats why we must study things for ourselves, pray to God for ourselves, come to our own conclusions, not just take someone's word for it, no matter what their position or title, etc.
And you have fun with that giant blue elephant. Post a picture.
Then, prove it, with a measurable gauge or device that can be used by anyone, anywhere! None of this, "He said, She said", malarkey, which is nothing but Spectral Evidence!
Then we'll focus on the part of your statement that deals with "Manipulation", because I guarantee, your view will be different than everyone elses, leaving a HOLE wide open for nothing but assumptions based off of your RELIGION.
NFS, Have you never read, or do you not believe, the Lord Jesus' words of Revelation 1:18?
"I am HE THAT LIVETH, AND WAS DEAD; and, behold, I AM ALIVE EVERMORE, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
What better witness can one find to prove there is an "afterlife" than the words of none other than The Lord Jesus Christ Himself; the One who "was dead" and that now "liveth"?
Do you deny that Christ Jesus arose from the dead and now liveth evermore? If so, you're denying the "only" One that is able to save you!
The resurrection of Jesus, the firstfruits of them that sleep, is the best evidence of an afterlife and the only one we need. How can NDE's prove life after death if they were only near death and never actually died?
The afterlife is provable so there is nothing scary about it. There are certainly questions regarding the details but there is just as much "proof" for the afterlife as there is for the law of gravity.
I agree, we do need to take care that we do not allow people to manipulate us. Thats why we must study things for ourselves, pray to God for ourselves, come to our own conclusions, not just take someone's word for it, no matter what their position or title, etc.
And you have fun with that giant blue elephant. Post a picture.
Scary.
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