Islam vs. Christianity Part 1

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Thomas Trini

As to the crusades, it was the Muslims who killed off half of Europe's population. Finally, after 500 years of being slaughtered, and attempting to turn the other cheek, they'd had enough. Then we kicks their butts, and they're still stuck in the 7th Century.
Question: Know why there are no Arabs on "Star Trek?" Answer: Because it's in the future.

Sorry, WII - this is hilarious!!

As to the "weapons of mass destruction," while their were no nuclear devices found in Iraq, actually there were canisters and shells of chemical weapons (a.k.a. weapons of mass destruction). Most of us figure Saddam just played a shell game long enough to ship them over to a neighboring country (I.e. Jordan or Syria).

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[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I am laughing dude. Sorry. I will try to be serious.

Glad to make you laugh.
I'll try and be quick.
As to the "Levitical quote," all of the writers of the New Testament were raised quoting the Old Testament. From Matthew to Revelation (The Apostle John). If you read the New Testament, you see the Old Testament. All of the prophecies concerning Jesus were OT prophecies. Where do you think the idea of Preterism comes from? The idea that the NT writers were using OT symbols to convey a message of Nero being the Anti_Christ.
As to camels, I was merely pointing out that while Muslims/Arabs won't go 100 feet of a pig farm, or work on a pig farm, or eat pork, or handle pork, they darn near sleep with camels, which are also considered unclean. I wouldn't be surprised if they ate camel meat (I never saw it on the menu though).
As to an earlier quote about your daughter being a "future terrorist," you missed the point. Because of what Islam asks of its followers, I consider all Muslims "future terrorists." Remember what I said about the Crusades? that didn't come about through things like "love thy neighbor."
As to only Christians being "people of the book," I find that somewhat difficult to swallow, since we believe in (at least) 1/2 of the same book.
As to the weapons of mass destruction thing, isn't it interesting that Iran's nuclear capabilities and the fall of Saddam seemed to curiously coincide, as if one picked up where the other left off?
What I meant about falconry was not eating them, but training them like we'd train a dog to compete in sports.
As to killing innocent people, you seem to be arguing more from a Christian cenetered idea of morality than your Islamic, which is more fatalistic, and is more like "que ser-sera," than what you state. Furthermore, Islam has far more people to answer for killing than Christians. Islam's war against the west began virtually in 622 A.D., and escalated after 632 A.D. Remember, Mohammed made peace treaties with one city, killed the other, and then moved on to kill those in the former city he just finished making the peace treaty with. They did that for 400-500 years. Many compalined about living under "the sword" of Islam, and it's brutality. Today, our weapons have become so precise, unlike the carpet bombing of Germany and Japan (or even Vietnam) that it's unusual when one does go off course.

[Walks_in_islam]

Glad you are glad sport

Originally Posted by Thomas Trini

Glad to make you laugh.
I'll try and be quick.
As to the "Levitical quote," all of the writers of the New Testament were raised quoting the Old Testament. From Matthew to Revelation (The Apostle John). If you read the New Testament, you see the Old Testament. All of the prophecies concerning Jesus were OT prophecies. Where do you think the idea of Preterism comes from? The idea that the NT writers were using OT symbols to convey a message of Nero being the Anti_Christ.

(laughing) "quoting the old testament". So that reference, from the new testament, does not apply because the writer was "quoting the old testament". You know what? I think that one as well as others you squirm out of is simply not palatable to you (like the cover your hair and shut up in church references to christian women or references to tithing) so you just "decided" to logic your way out of it. The reason that the writers of the new testament quoted laws out of the old testament is BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL VALID. Just 'deciding for yourself' that they are not does not make you right.

As to camels, I was merely pointing out that while Muslims/Arabs won't go 100 feet of a pig farm, or work on a pig farm, or eat pork, or handle pork, they darn near sleep with camels, which are also considered unclean. I wouldn't be surprised if they ate camel meat (I never saw it on the menu though).

Funny you would say that about Muslims and pork, because in an earlier post you said "It's like the Muslims over here who apply and get jobs at the Hormel meat packing plant, which has pork products". So which is it? 100 feet or do they just not eat it like Islam teaches not to?

As to an earlier quote about your daughter being a "future terrorist," you missed the point. Because of what Islam asks of its followers, I consider all Muslims "future terrorists." Remember what I said about the Crusades? that didn't come about through things like "love thy neighbor."

I got the point just fine. Small-minded bigotry is nothing new. The opinions of the morally, spiritually, and financially bankrupt matter little in the large scale of things however.

As to only Christians being "people of the book," I find that somewhat difficult to swallow, since we believe in (at least) 1/2 of the same book.

It is a term not an insult.

As to the weapons of mass destruction thing, isn't it interesting that Iran's nuclear capabilities and the fall of Saddam seemed to curiously coincide, as if one picked up where the other left off?

Yeah mr geography Iran and Iraq have a long history of close friendship (laughing)

What I meant about falconry was not eating them, but training them like we'd train a dog to compete in sports.

OH. I actually knew that. But I was poking fun at you. There is nothing in any book about falconry. Do you have a specific point?

As to killing innocent people, you seem to be arguing more from a Christian cenetered idea of morality than your Islamic, which is more fatalistic, and is more like "que ser-sera," than what you state.

I dunno. I just see that the flow of weapons is one-way. YOU certainly aren't buying them from HERE.

Furthermore, Islam has far more people to answer for killing than Christians.

Yeah you had to go way, way, way back to make that point.

Islam's war against the west began virtually in 622 A.D., and escalated after 632 A.D. Remember, Mohammed made peace treaties with one city, killed the other, and then moved on to kill those in the former city he just finished making the peace treaty with. They did that for 400-500 years. Many compalined about living under "the sword" of Islam, and it's brutality. Today, our weapons have become so precise, unlike the carpet bombing of Germany and Japan (or even Vietnam) that it's unusual when one does go off course.

Good. I am glad to hear that. Now.....go use those precise and perfect weapons to clean up your mess that you made when you people supplied, trained, and funded the Taliban to fight the russians for you. OH I forgot. Like the weapons of mass destruction, you can "find me and I know it" but you can't find them either. lol

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Glad you are glad sport

This is getting soooooo old. You quote the OT when you like, and the NT when you like.
So. Camels (unclean in the OT:Leviticus) are OK when it comes to Muslims. But pigs are not (also unclean in Leviticus). Since you're a recent convert to Islam, you're still in that Honeymoon phase. Give it time. The hypocrisy that you saw so easily in Christianity will also come screaming at you sometime. Or, you kids will even see it more easily than you do. You'll try and wiggle out of it, or they will. But you won't be able to.
As to the OT, you're the one living under it's rules and regulations. I merely used the Levitical laws to point something out to you about "unclean things." If I lived completely under it, I'd still be awaiting the birth of the Jewish Messiah. I wouldn't be wearing clothes with 2 different kinds of fabrics. If you believe in unclean things, let me ask you this, did you touch your wife less than 80 days after the birth of your daughter(40 days for a son)? If you did, you violated God's law, as it says in the OT. For she is still unclean under the law.
Iran and Iraq? They may not be friends, but if it meant defeating the U.S., and perhaps by waiting for the "12th Imam," they would be friends.

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Sorry, WII - this is hilarious!!





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BTW, a late thank you.

[Praxeas]

WII...BTW we face an "Alter" for the same reasons when you go to a movie you fact the screen. Or when you go to hear someone speak you face that direction.

Second an alter is not an object of worship.

[Walks_in_islam]

Hahahaha...

Originally Posted by thomas trini

this is getting soooooo old. You quote the ot when you like, and the nt when you like.

i quoted the bible. Like most christians, your posts either attack believers of other faiths or involve "various means and ways that the bible is not relevent today or relevent to me". Also like most christians you spend more of your time trying to spin different requirements from the bible into "new laws" and "old laws" and "laws that apply to jewish" and "any possible way to determine that i can live any way i like and the bible does not apply to me cuz i have faith". Lol you should hear yourself

so. Camels (unclean in the ot:leviticus) are ok when it comes to muslims. But pigs are not (also unclean in leviticus).

either way, its your bible and of course if your bible says so then it probably does not apply to you right? See above lol

since you're a recent convert to islam, you're still in that honeymoon phase. Give it time. The hypocrisy that you saw so easily in christianity will also come screaming at you sometime. Or, you kids will even see it more easily than you do. You'll try and wiggle out of it, or they will. But you won't be able to.
As to the ot, you're the one living under it's rules and regulations. I merely used the levitical laws to point something out to you about "unclean things."

no your first reference to "levitical laws" was to say that "wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate and touch not unclean things" which is from corinthians not leviticus is a "levitical law" and therefore not valid today. Because you did not know that this is a new not old testament teaching. Then you (miserably failed to) did and are still attempting to make a lame attempt to turn the discussion to camels and falcons and any possible thing other than the fact that you remarked, after that direct reference, that you would "be separate from the world in the afterlife" or some such dumb thing. Which means you are arguing to me who does not matter whether or not a reference to your own bible applies to you. That is laughable to me.

if i lived completely under it, i'd still be awaiting the birth of the jewish messiah. I wouldn't be wearing clothes with 2 different kinds of fabrics. If you believe in unclean things, let me ask you this, did you touch your wife less than 80 days after the birth of your daughter(40 days for a son)? If you did, you violated god's law, as it says in the ot. For she is still unclean under the law.
Iran and iraq? They may not be friends, but if it meant defeating the u.s., and perhaps by waiting for the "12th imam," they would be friends.

what are you nostradamus? "if".....they "would be" sounds more accurate than your lame implication that iran's nuclear capabilities (which, as usual, they did not, btw, develop themselves since all their good toys, as usual, are stamped "made in europe <cough>france<cough>" or "made in russia") have anything at all to do with the iraq war. If you and your hero navy buddies really had cajones rather than spend your time pounding on raggedy unarmed villagers you would go to the source of the problem and pound on the russians for supplying them the stuff in the first place. But, once again, the white europeans that you are "so proud of" from the crusades, gave the iranians this stuff and you're too chicken to go deal with it head on. Better to have someone else like afghans or vietnamese or koreans or anyone but you deal with that russian problem huh brave boy? Lol the nuc material came from russia. Go deal with it (do i hear <bwackkkk><bwackkkkk>) (laughing)

My daughter is less than two weeks old. Your fascination with people's personal lives is creepy. Hopefully you are neither a youth minister or sunday school teacher.

[Walks_in_islam]

Dude, we disagree on a lot of things, but yes, this train of posts IS pretty funny.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Sorry, WII - this is hilarious!!





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[Walks_in_islam]

Yeah prax I know. Mention of alters is distasteful to christians. Regular prayers are distasteful to christians. Scheduled fasting is distasteful to christians. Mandatory giving is distasteful to christians.

Got all those points a long time ago.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

WII...BTW we face an "Alter" for the same reasons when you go to a movie you fact the screen. Or when you go to hear someone speak you face that direction.

Second an alter is not an object of worship.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Yeah prax I know. Mention of alters is distasteful to christians.

Wrong. Mentioning praying or worshiping something ON an alter is distasteful

Regular prayers are distasteful to christians.

No. We can out pray a muslim any day. Reciting a prayer someone else wrote over and over and over and over and over like robots is distasteful

Scheduled fasting is distasteful to christians.

Wrong again. And when we fast we don't do it like mindless zombies.

Mandatory giving is distasteful to christians

You finally got one right. We despise the idea of giving by force. We give because we WANT to.

God loves a cheerful giver. Nobody holds a gun to our head

Got all those points a long time ago.

That much is clear...you don't really read what others are saying. You read your own false ideas into what we post.