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[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So the issue is that businesses don’t want to pay a decent wage and consumers don’t want expensive produce? Therefore, we say it's about cheap labor? Cheap labor is a big fat lie. Some companies may be making a profit off what they call "cheap labor", but the taxpayers are footing the bill.

Free medical, free education, free day care, free lunches (in Title 1 schools), etc. It's developing a third world country that doesn't value education. We've become so weak with political correctness that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree with you. I totally agree that this is a problem. I guess my point is, this is a problem that has been enabled by the state government and is now not easily fixable, if at all. But here are a couple of points to consider...

1) If suddenly everything goes legit, the monsterously increased prices are not going to be accompanied by a sudden tax break we gain from not having to support illegals. At least, not in my opinion.

2) I don't know the percentage and I don't know that I've seen a study, but just from experience, I know that a great number of the illegal workers we depend on are here by themselves and NOT supporting a family here in the US. Many, and I can't say "most" although I suspect it is, work here and send a great amount of their earnings back to their family in Mexico.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

On this forum, that doesn't even qualify as a mild tantrum.

I concede your point!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by yisroelm

Sam with you being located near Cincinnati would I be going out on a limb to draw the conclusion that this was not a Bible Study at Elder Terry Meade's Church.

That's a reasonable conclusion.

I have never been to the Church pastored by Eld. Meade but it is not real far from here, maybe 15 miles. My wife has a cousin who goes there. I heard his (Terry Meade's) Dad teach at the Ohio ALJC camp meeting once back in the nineteen seventies. He devoted his teaching time to preaching against tv. Since Eld. Terry Meade is with the AMF (or whatever the current name is) I assume he'd be in agreement with his Dad's teaching.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by notofworks

THIS was a hissy fit!

Well, maybe even he has a limit on guarding his tongue.

[DividedThigh]

i attend a upc church, probably always will, and i believe the doctrine of salvation, will always, but i dont believe in trying to control people and in the process put them under oppressive unscriptural holiness teaching, dt

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

i attend a upc church, probably always will, and i believe the doctrine of salvation, will always, but i dont believe in trying to control people and in the process put them under oppressive unscriptural holiness teaching, dt

Check out the "German persecution" thread he started and the pictures. He says their standards are similar. If that's what they enforce, that's a little scary. Maybe real scary. I understand why he's so freaked out at my ripped jeans.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree with you. I totally agree that this is a problem. I guess my point is, this is a problem that has been enabled by the state government and is now not easily fixable, if at all. But here are a couple of points to consider...

1) If suddenly everything goes legit, the monsterously increased prices are not going to be accompanied by a sudden tax break we gain from not having to support illegals. At least, not in my opinion.

2) I don't know the percentage and I don't know that I've seen a study, but just from experience, I know that a great number of the illegal workers we depend on are here by themselves and NOT supporting a family here in the US. Many, and I can't say "most" although I suspect it is, work here and send a great amount of their earnings back to their family in Mexico.

It is a problem, a huge problem. There is so much involved. It's going to have to involve giving small businesses tax breaks as they have created 2/3 of the new net jobs here in the last 15 years.

I agree with Newt Gingrich's ideas on that:

To increase business cash flow and put more money in people's pockets, we need to cut the payroll tax for two years for both workers and employers.

Allow small businesses to expense 100% of new equipment purchased each year so they will improve their technology and ability to compete. (On the issue of improving technology, I was also reading that low-skilled workers are a big hindrance for a company to invest in technology. So, here again, we have a problem.)

Capital gains tax needs to be lowered to match China.

Cut the highest business tax rate to 12.5% to match Ireland. Currently the U.S. has one of the highest business taxes in the world.

Abolish the inheritance tax permanently. This year, this tax is zero, but reverts back to 55% in 2011.

Then we have this new healthcare law that has been passed. The numbers are showing it will cost us more than what we were told. You have companies, like, Catepillar saying that the healthcare overhaul is going to cost them $100M. That's a very large construction company where the effects will trickle down to the laborers.

All of it is a big mess. There is reform that needs to happen with more than a border fence, as you know. And, I don't think we know anyone we trust to fix it.

I do agree with Milton Friedman, “It’s just obvious that you can’t have free immigration and a welfare state.”

And I agree with the words in Psalm 20:7 "Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God."

[notofworks]

By the way, I think this is a GREAT thread. It hasn't been about the title since I-don't-know-when, and the conversation has gone all over the place. It's truly like 10 people sitting at a table and talking.

I always get miffed at the folks who cry and whine, "Ooooh, my thread has been hijacked". Conversation does that. If we were all sitting at a table playing "Uno" (Well, "yisroelm" wouldn't be playing "Uno" probably), this is what would happen. We'd talk about the validity of a word, immigration, standards, government, all kinds of stuff. I think it's pretty cool.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

By the way, I think this is a GREAT thread. It hasn't been about the title since I-don't-know-when, and the conversation has gone all over the place. It's truly like 10 people sitting at a table and talking.

I always get miffed at the folks who cry and whine, "Ooooh, my thread has been hijacked". Conversation does that. If we were all sitting at a table playing "Uno" (Well, "yisroelm" wouldn't be playing "Uno" probably), this is what would happen. We'd talk about the validity of a word, immigration, standards, government, all kinds of stuff. I think it's pretty cool.

[DividedThigh]

all i have to say is, trying to condemn others has never drawn any one closer to god, or made them holy, only less holy and more divisive, dt