Serious Question

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Look it up.I did but just don't have the mind to remember where it all is.Type in hands. http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/

Let us explain the way this usually works:

You make a statement;
Someone disagrees and asks for proof;
YOU PROVIDE THE PROOF;
You do not tell them to find it on their own.

[rgcraig]

Morning!

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Morning!

Over what?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by OGIA

Over what?

"u" left out?

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

"u" left out?

Goooood one!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Would you feel comfortable knowing that a leader (not necessarily a preacher) in your church was struggling with his/her eye gate (internet sites or mags) and yet still in a place of heavy use in the church?

What if this man or woman had struggled for a while, perhaps even giving in to the temptation, asking forgiveness, only to return to the temptation, and still wanted to teach others or be used in a leadership role?

How does the church deal with this issue?

I haven't read this thread yet, but no, I would not be comfortable with it. A time of stepping down until it has been well resolved is a good thing, IMO.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by rrford

Newman,

I am having a hard time actually believing you are stating what you are. If you had nothing to hide, can you seriously tell me that you wouldn't mind a "detective following you around for a few days?" I think even a good man would take umbrage at asuch a notion.

Even if there were no validity to the charges he is now "marked" because of suspicion. Whether the system is perfect or not it does try to address the issue in such a way that the accuser must be willing to put in writing their accusation. For the most part, I believe it works the same way in the legal system.

If someone had a detective follow him around for a few days (unbeknownst to anyone) and nothing happened, then he is exonerated. There is no cause for lingering suspicion.

Police follow up on anonymous tips all the time... They don't go to the person in question and ask them if its true (unless they are trying to shake them up). They often gather evidence before they tip their hand that they are looking.

Warrants are only necesary when they become intrusive and go into people's houses etc., certainly not for merely following somebody around.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Margies3

I may be very naive, but I'm sitting here thinking that if a pastor finds out from a person that they are having a problem with porn, wouldn't it seem that the person is crying out for help?

I would assume that if a person doesn't want someone interfering with their addiction while at the same time knowing what the church teaches regarding porn, they would do all in their power to keep things a secret. Correct???

In that case, my feeling would be that if someone is asking for help, the cruelest (and least wise) thing a person could do would be to bring more attention to the problem by sitting someone down or disciplining in any way. Why discipline? If the person is asking for help, then God has already done the disciplining. At least that would be my view of how this works.

But then I'm VERY glad that I am not a pastor and don't have to deal with things like this. God bless and guide those of you who are in that position is my prayer!

This is an excellent post. I hadn't really thought of it this way...

[ILG]

Originally Posted by NobodyImportant

Having been here myself, I feel confident to respond.
Someone who is involved in pornography has no business being in any leadership position.
Pornography is not only a sin against the soul, it is also a sin against the flesh and leaves its residue on everything the individual touches.
For that person to be in ministry, all that they touch will eventually feel the ruin of that life.
Sin is still sin.

Could it be that someone who is truly repentant will set themselves down?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

How does porn affect the women that there hooked on it ?
Mostly I hear how males are affected? What detrimental things does porn do to the women who are hooked on it?

I would guess that it shows them that they should deny their own needs and just try to satisfy men....which is never a good thing when her needs are not being met at all.