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12-13-2008, 04:53 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
I remember a priest one time telling me that he was humble with a capital "H" 
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12-13-2008, 09:10 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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I remember a priest one time telling me that he was humble with a capital "H" |
Why would any parent call their child, Humble? 
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12-13-2008, 09:27 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Why would any parent call their child, Humble? |
Would you believe this....their last name was Pie???
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12-13-2008, 10:24 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Dear Mr. Bullwinkle,
I don't think you read more than my initial post to you, so I am going to take that into consideration and go easy on you and ignore the snide comment about "online turmoil".
As others before me have already pointed out, Jesus in the flesh was limited by the flesh, but Jesus in us is not. So for the most part our discussion is somewhat moot.
As for Pastors and their place....I will clue you in on that which most here already know (ad nauseum).... I don't necessarily believe that pastors have a place period, let alone think it's important how close they get to members of their congregation.
I think we are to love one another, and submit one to another, but I do not believe that anyone should be our spiritual authority, except God, and I do not believe I need any mediator between God and I (Except Jesus).
I should stress, that does not mean that I think I know everything, or that I am unteachable. Actually God uses many things (including people!) to teach me things all the time.
But I refuse to fall prey to the attitude that exists in so many pentecostal churches, that either the Holy Ghost is not strong enough to lead/guide/teach me, or that I am not smart/spiritual enough to hear Him.
To bring it back to the original topic, I will summarize by saying I do not believe that there should be a hierarchy of believers in the first place.
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Dear My Own Eyes
I started several replies to you.
When I first read your user name and tag line I discounted it - now I see I was wrong.
Got no desire to rock on your hobbyhorse - biblical illiteracy is a horrible thing.
Regards
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12-14-2008, 12:34 AM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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I've been in Pentecost all of my life. I come from a family which includes Home Bible Study teachers, soulwinners, musicians, and licensed ministry. My grown children, both in ministry, are fourth generation Pentecost. This is a tedious subject. I will say that the most productive churches in my observation, that is to say building individuals as well as church building, are led by a man of God who is real. He and the people know his office and respect that, but on the human level, he is humble, approachable and listens without favoritism to friends. There are those close to me who have been nearly mortally wounded due to emotionally reactive leadership, and some who have never reached their potential because things were believed about them just are not true. Keeping in mind that we all have flaws, the mantle of ministry should make one all the more aware of responsibility and accountability for their care of the flock. On a parting note, their are some awesome pastors and great lay ministry out there and we have also known some of the best of these.  |
Wow very good and real words...
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12-14-2008, 06:01 AM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Would you believe this....their last name was Pie???
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I was set up for that one, eh? 
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To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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12-14-2008, 07:18 AM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Would you believe this....their last name was Pie???
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Didn't that family have a band of sorts?
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12-14-2008, 08:18 AM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
PIE is a mathematical constant that represents the ratio of any circle's circumference to its diameter in Euclidean geometry, which is the same as the ratio of a circle's area to the square of its radius. It is approximately equal to 3.14159.
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12-14-2008, 12:07 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
way over my head!
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12-14-2008, 01:54 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
Some pastors aren't shepherds at all. They don't lead people to Jesus.
Some "pastors" treat the role as an occupation. They preach a few times a week, make a few hospital visits, and collect a check. They have no intention of really pastoring the people. Their preaching is ineffectual fluff.
This is because they would rather earn the praise of the people than the favor of God.
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