Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or no?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

I didn't argue anything. I simply stated the facts, you can determine for yourself to accept or reject it. I tend to accept all the passages that have come into question with the exception of the obviously added phrase "this kind cometh not out but by prayer and fasting" that one I reject. It neither flows with the passage nor does it have support in the manuscripts.

The facts according to who, Baron? I know for a fact that I read in the NIV that 1 Jon 5:7 was added by a monk at some point in history. I don't have my NIV any more because I found it more to be a normally incorrect version than anything else, but I definitely remember them saying this about 1Jn 5:7, Bro.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

No ... it does not cause salvation ... it is done in response to a person accepting salvation.

I've answered this many times ... and don't mind the question but rather the inquistion-like approach.

....most PCIers on this forum will give you the same answer

Thanks for answering the question.
Why get Baptized if it is a non issue & it is not required for Salvation?

Were the Apostles just putti9ng extra burdens on people?
Did they miss it when they commanded them to be baptized?
If it is a non issue, why did the disciples of John the baptist in Acts 19 get re baptized?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Oh boy!!! You'd rather go down w/ the ship than admit to having to chalk this one up to a dead end.

No, Dan. I am only pointing out that there has to be a reason why the KJV translators translated the same word differently. I already know that the same word is used for remission as forgiveness. That isn't the point. The point is why they translated it differently, not that it was translated differently.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Rico

The facts according to who, Baron? I know for a fact that I read in the NIV that 1 Jon 5:7 was added by a monk at some point in history. I don't have my NIV any more because I found it more to be a normally incorrect version than anything else, but I definitely remember them saying this about 1Jn 5:7, Bro.

Usually the NIV just says the most ancient manuscrpits do not contain verses ----

You can look and see that the oldest manuscripts don't contain it but you can also see that commentaries that predate those manuscripts do contain it. So which is more reliable? Your choice.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Rico

Sorry, but this is getting more and more ridiculous. Now "baptized" doesn't mean "baptized?" The lengths some of y'all will go to.....................................tsk, tsk.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Rico, ignore them. The greek word for baptism means to submerge or inundate an object in fluid. In the bible that fluid was water. If it was just the hands being referred to the word might be translated dip, but one is still submerging their entire hand in the fluid.

We also have scriptures that clearly show the candidate for baptism went down INTO the water..

It's amazing how some people will try to make the word of God meaningless and incomprehensible. One might as well become a new ager if the Word of God has no absolute meaning behind it and is subject to personal feelings.

Gentelmen. Look it up. There is much more than one meaning to the original word used. You gotta look it up...can't go by just what others say.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ron

Thanks for answering the question.
Why get Baptized if it is a non issue & it is not required for Salvation?

Were the Apostles just putti9ng extra burdens on people?
Did they miss it when they commanded them to be baptized?
If it is a non issue, why did the disciples of John the baptist in Acts 19 get re baptized?

Was Jesus confused when he spoke John 3:16? There are a lot of things believers do after salvation, they are baptized, maybe the take the Lord's supper, maybe foot washing, etc.

Do you think foot washing and communion are necessary to salvation?

If not why do them at all?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Was Jesus confused when he spoke John 3:16? There are a lot of things believers do after salvation, they are baptized, maybe the take the Lord's supper, maybe foot washing, etc.

Do you think foot washing and communion are necessary to salvation?

If not why do them at all?

Footwashing?????

Are you serious? Footwashing is an example given by Jesus whereby we should serve one another!

Communion? While communion isn't commanded, it just states as oft as you do this.

Baptism is tied to Salvation, it is the means by which the blood of Jesus is applied.

Jesus died on a cross & purchased for me a salvation I could not earn.
Repentance, Water Baptism, & receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost are my parts in this NT Covenant!

[Jack Shephard]

For those of you that do not beleive what I am saying about the baptiso meaning different things....here you can watch a message where he spells it out completely. I also beleive this church baptizes in Jesus name too. It is not a short video, but watch and you will see. Then try to debunk it.

http://www.northpoint.org/index.php?.../page/baptism3

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

To say baptism means etymologically anything other than dipping or immersing is unsound ... that includes making it to mean salvation.

Once again can I teach forgiveness and remission to mean two different things in a Spanish or Greek setting using the Word of God rather than the Word of Rico or Ron?

I posted a link to a video where everyone can see what I am talking about

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

To say baptism means etymologically anything other than dipping or immersing is unsound ... that includes making it to mean salvation.

Once again can I teach forgiveness and remission to mean two different things in a Spanish or Greek setting using the Word of God rather than the Word of Rico or Ron?

This has to be asked then. When I argued that why didn't you just say AMEN instead of obfuscating the issue by bringing up a baptism we were not speaking of?