Tulsa Report Day 2 - Page 38

NW Pastor · #**371** 01-26-2008, 10:20 PM

This is why the righteous indignation of the Tulsa defenders on this forum rings so hollow. They all know there will be a real and painful splintering of organizational bonds, regardless of all public declarations or lack thereof by the Tulsa founders.

RevBuddy · #**372** 01-26-2008, 10:27 PM

These "defenders" are using an elastic double standard...one for "their guys" to do whatever is necessary...and another that quickly closes in our "their guys'" opposition.

connielori · #**373** 01-26-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan

You know Tim.....I agree with you. And if others would confess it, they know the same things.

Maybe we need to understand what WWPF stands for. How about W____ Wins Power Finally?

Just my opinion.

You obiviously don't know DR. W_________. He certainly doesn't have to be at the head of ANYTHING to have 'power'. Dr. W____________ is success personified. Take a trip to CA, and visit his church. Get an education on the growth and revival his church has experienced from his leadership....in a very small amount of time. Read a couple of his books. This is a GREAT man. A powerful man of God.....who needs validation from NO ONE.

pelathais · #**374** 01-26-2008, 10:31 PM

The organizers are playing a careful game. They believe that they stand to gain a lot so they're careful with their words. Also, nothing exists in spoken words the way it appears on paper.

For example, no one's name was used without their permission. Period. That was checked and rechecked and no one was found to have slipped through. Yet when KH's letter is brought up where he describes people who said that their names were used without permission - does a contradiction exist? No! It's just a matter of timing and a misunderstanding. KH is "correct," but at the same time "mistaken."

Also, when the claims that "no organization was being formed" were being thrown around after Tampa, angry words were said to the skeptics. When the Bible quizzing site was put up, those angry words ceased and a wait-and-see attitude developed. Then when a full blown bureaucracy was revealed we were told that this was the plan all along. You were mistaken to have said, "No new organization was being formed."

The WPF web site was "hacked" when links to publically accessible pages were posted here. Apparently Google was involved in the "hacking" because the webmasters were careful to have submitted their brand new pages to the search engine for public indexing. Since when is submitting your own public web pages to Google so that anyone in the world can find them called "privacy?" But that's what the Tulsa organizers want us to believe.

Questions arose about the ethics of the recruiting methods. The UPCI mailing list was and then wasn't, and then was obtained for purposes of recruitment. Somehow WEC either waived all their standard procedures for the use of this list or ethics don't really apply when WEC is the "backslidden" party.

Using the UPC to split itself is "okay" because "no new organization was being formed." But then when the organization is formed, the participants all boast about the fine spirit in which this was done.

And we are called upon to applaud this work? Okay. I applaud. If they can keep it up for another year I will stand and applaud. But I would hope that they would blush before then.

NW Pastor · #**375** 01-26-2008, 10:35 PM

So true.

PastorD · #**376** 01-26-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by connielori

You obiviously don't know DR. W_________. He certainly doesn't have to be at the head of ANYTHING to have 'power'. Dr. W____________ is success personified. Take a trip to CA, and visit his church. Get an education on the growth and revival his church has experienced from his leadership....in a very small amount of time. Read a couple of his books. This is a GREAT man. A powerful man of God.....who needs validation from NO ONE.

And yet he got up and walked out when he lost by 4 votes never to return again.

NW Pastor · #**377** 01-26-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorD

And yet he got up and walked out when he lost by 4 votes never to return again.

And he was not even at the Tampa conference to use his influence to defeat resolution 4. I wonder why? Perhaps if he had gone to Tampa, there would have been no Tulsa.

TrmptPraise · #**378** 01-26-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

The organizers are playing a careful game. They believe that they stand to gain a lot so they're careful with their words. Also, nothing exists in spoken words the way it appears on paper.

For example, no one's name was used without their permission. Period. That was checked and rechecked and no one was found to have slipped through. Yet when KH's letter is brought up where he describes people who said that their names were used without permission - does a contradiction exist? No! It's just a matter of timing and a misunderstanding. KH is "correct," but at the same time "mistaken."

Also, when the claims that "no organization was being formed" were being thrown around after Tampa, angry words were said to the skeptics. When the Bible quizzing site was put up, those angry words ceased and a wait-and-see attitude developed. Then when a full blown bureaucracy was revealed we were told that this was the plan all along. You were mistaken to have said, "No new organization was being formed."

The WPF web site was "hacked" when links to publically accessible pages were posted here. Apparently Google was involved in the "hacking" because the webmasters were careful to have submitted their brand new pages to the search engine for public indexing. Since when is submitting your own public web pages to Google so that anyone in the world can find them called "privacy?" But that's what the Tulsa organizers want us to believe.

Questions arose about the ethics of the recruiting methods. The UPCI mailing list was and then wasn't, and then was obtained for purposes of recruitment. Somehow WEC either waived all their standard procedures for the use of this list or ethics don't really apply when WEC is the "backslidden" party.

Using the UPC to split itself is "okay" because "no new organization was being formed." But then when the organization is formed, the participants all boast about the fine spirit in which this was done.

And we are called upon to applaud this work? Okay. I applaud. If they can keep it up for another year I will stand and applaud. But I would hope that they would blush before then.

That scoring judge on the right is being investigated.

connielori · #**379** 01-26-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NW Pastor

And he was not even at the Tampa conference to use his influence to defeat resolution 4. I wonder why? Perhaps if he had gone to Tampa, there would have been no Tulsa.

UUUUmmmmmmm If I remember right......It was voted AGAINST the year prior. Do we just keep bringing it back up every year?...

Perhaps if they hadn't brought it up AGAIN there would be no Tulsa.

Praxeas · #**380** 01-26-2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

We really can't go by the numbers posted here can we. I am not saying the 1500 number in inaccurate. What I am saying is that we have no break down of those in attendance. What percentage are UPC ministers, what percentage are independents looking for a fellowship, what percentage are "observers?" We really won't know what the actual number will be until this is over and we see the number of "sign ups." correct?

Well....you know how Pentecostals count heads right? 1,2,5,6,9.....

They also tend to count the same head twice....from a different angle