What logic and Bible is used against beards? - Page 37

Michael The Disciple · #**361** 10-21-2018, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Facial hair is a nonissue.

Teaching a doctrine that is nowhere found in the Bible is noteworthy.

And makes those seeking Bible truth suspicious of Apostolic teachers. After all if they would deceive concerning one issue maybe they would on another?

Michael The Disciple · #**362** 10-21-2018, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Yah is our lord and saviour, that is the name of our God.

Amen!

Scott Pitta · #**363** 10-21-2018, 05:41 AM

So if one teaches that doctrine must be based on the Bible, and then they teach a doctrine that is not in the Bible, they are talking out of both sides of their mouth.

That is the issue.

jediwill83 · #**364** 10-21-2018, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

So if one teaches that doctrine must be based on the Bible, and then they teach a doctrine that is not in the Bible, they are talking out of both sides of their mouth.

That is the issue.

So the question ultimately is does a pastor have God given authority to establish doctrine not supported by scripture OR is it like getting a genie that gives you three wishes and you wish for unlimted wishes and in that way bypass biblically established limits?

Are there limits?

Is it anything goes?

By what process are these limits established?

Is it established by direct rule of canonical scripture or consensus of the fellowship or hierarchy you submit yourselves to?

If we are commanded to follow Holiness, and standards are preached as Holiness why does it seem that the path Holiness is taking is changing over time?

Is it changing or are WE moving the goal post on what Holiness actually is to fit OUR definition?

Is Holiness what scripture says supplimented with extra doctrine added by man?

If the doctrine of man conflicts with scripture, who blinks and gives way?

Evang.Benincasa · #**365** 10-21-2018, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

So if one teaches that doctrine must be based on the Bible, and then they teach a doctrine that is not in the Bible, they are talking out of both sides of their mouth.

That is the issue.

Azusa Street was slammed packed with that.

Who was Harry Morse?

Evang.Benincasa · #**366** 10-21-2018, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Amen!

Mike His name is Jesus.

But let me make this crystal clear, if God wanted to be called Yah, Yahweh, or Yashua. He made no prevision in the New Testament. He allowed the early church and the apostles to read and teach out of a Greek translation of the OT. Which also didn't preserve any sacred name but JESUS.

You are a left over from the 60s Hebrew roots culture.

Call Him Jesus, the name you used as you were growing up and first entered a church.

Order us 7 loaded Chili Mac Hot Dogs in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Yiddish.

Michael The Disciple · #**367** 10-21-2018, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

So if one teaches that doctrine must be based on the Bible, and then they teach a doctrine that is not in the Bible, they are talking out of both sides of their mouth.

That is the issue.

YES! Thats what its always been about!

Evang.Benincasa · #**368** 10-21-2018, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jediwill83

So the question ultimately is does a pastor have God given authority to establish doctrine not supported by scripture OR is it like getting a genie that gives you three wishes and you wish for unlimted wishes and in that way bypass biblically established limits?

Are there limits?

Is it anything goes?

By what process are these limits established?

Is it established by direct rule of canonical scripture or consensus of the fellowship or hierarchy you submit yourselves to?

If we are commanded to follow Holiness, and standards are preached as Holiness why does it seem that the path Holiness is taking is changing over time?

Is it changing or are WE moving the goal post on what Holiness actually is to fit OUR definition?

Is Holiness what scripture says supplemented with extra doctrine added by man?

If the doctrine of man conflicts with scripture, who blinks and gives way?

Amen bro, some people are tap dancing on a landmine as years go by. 10 years ago we didn't have same gender marriage. We also didn't have teenangers talking about gender neutrality. People take Paul's words that he became a Roman to win Romans and became a Judean to win Judeans in all kinds of directions. 10 more years, and it is going to get pretty sketchy.

Evang.Benincasa · #**369** 10-21-2018, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

YES! Thats what its always been about!

Then you yourself are condemned.

Good gravy.

Scott Pitta · #**370** 10-21-2018, 07:15 AM

If a culture or society has set rules or customs, that is fine. Social customs need no justification.

It is the same way with subcultures, such as denominations or church groups. Being clean shaven can be their custom. I have no problem with that.

If pastors have the final say on a rule, then the Bible is no longer the sole rule of faith. It is one of 2 rules of faith.

If the book of Acts is the model, I see no story where members asked their pastor do decide on a given activity.