Marriage Rejuvenation?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

There you go, boys and girls. Aquila can make it up as he goes. He can break man's law and even God's law so long as he declares what he does is of God.

It doesn't break any law to be married in the eyes of God alone. If it does, please specifically cite the exact law that is broken. I've gone back to find any law that you posted that is being broken. I read where you cited that according to YOU a law was broken.

Auila ignores the fact that the state makes the laws, so if he broke one of those laws, then by definition what he has done is "illegal."

It doesn't break any law to profess to be married in the eyes of God alone. If it does, again, please specifically cite the exact law that is broken and what the charges for breaking such a law would be.

God cannot bless something that breaks such laws. Especially when you consider the following:

If you've been following along, you saw Aquila admitted he married the "Quaker" way because he did not want to go through another civil divorce. Thus, his "Quaker marriage" wasn't to please God, but rather to please himself.

Then he said he and his Quaker-married (not Quaker believing) "wife" (he stopped calling her that and returned to calling her "fiancée") are now going to be remarried with a civil license so they can collect Government money. So, he had to be Quaker married to please God unless it involves collecting money.

A full misrepresentation and outright LIE. Men of God don't lie. I'll explain the circumstance AGAIN for those who are obviously hard of reading...

Christina's father DIED. Her mother had a complication regarding her birth date when filing for a portion of his Social Security. Once we helped her resolve the issue, she was able to receive a portion of Christina's father's Social Security. Having helped her mother through this, Christina began to contemplate about how she wouldn't be able to claim a portion of my Social Security upon my passing. During this period of time we revisited the idea of getting a civil marriage. I told her that I'd be willing to do so as long as it was what she desired. I even proposed to her again to illustrate my willingness to consider a civil marriage, and that was when I began calling her my fiancé again. Well... she chose not to at this time. Why? She felt like violating her principles and convictions regarding state control of marriages to claim money to be disingenuous. And since then, she's not mentioned it again.

If she wishes to revisit the issue of civil marriage, I'll revisit it with her. However, she's rather radical in her libertarianism. I'm not sure if anyone could convince her to enter a civil marriage.

So, your distortion of the facts equate to nothing but lying slander... by a man who is professing moral superiority no less. Frankly, I'm shocked TK Burk.

As a result, do not believe his smoke. Aquila is not arguing for how one should marry to please the Lord. He's arguing for what's best for himself.

Are you a licensed minister TK Burk?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

God is love. I believe that when a man and woman are bound together by love, they are bound together by God. I can't over emphasize this, only God joins a man and woman together. We often think that the state joins a man and woman together and then God blesses it. Not so. In actuality, all a wedding ceremony does is openly recognize what God has already done. If a wedding ceremony includes state licensing and an agent of the state to officiate, all that is happening is that the state is officially recognizing the union for legal purposes, benefits, etc.

Our God is a God of covenants (promises). When promises are made, covenant is established. Now, a covenant might be verbal, personally written, or even civil in nature. But even the covenant made is the result of the union God has created between a man and a woman, or they wouldn't desire it.

Let me put this way. The state were you reside doesn't recognize your marriage. If an 18 year old girl lives with her boyfriend she and he can call it marriage all day long. But it isn't. Especially where you live.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

And yet you work for Caesar?

lol

He is dead, but I love his salad.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

You're really not seeing this, are you??

A nickname is nothing close to a woman changing their name due to an illegal union. I'm assuming your gal did that--right?

Remember what I said about an American citizen's rights not being the same as a Christian's rights under God? For a fella that is so anti-civil law, you sure like to cling to civil law for your argument...but you sure ignore God's view of your illegal marriage.

What does God say about your "Quaker marriage"? Does He say you are to conduct yourself in obedience to civil law and civil authority? Or is that instruction not in the Bible?

There is nothing anti-God about getting a marriage license. If anything, it protects your testimony against people thinking you and your gal are shacking-up....or in this case, eating Wheaties in the buff while unmarried.

Think about how God sees your situation next time you defend your admitted illegal marriage:

2 Peter 2:10 He is especially hard on those who follow their own twisted sexual desire, and who despise authority. These people are proud and arrogant, daring even to scoff at supernatural beings without so much as trembling.

Aquila does your girlfriend use your last name legally?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

There is nothing anti-God about getting a marriage license. If anything, it protects your testimony against people thinking you and your gal are shacking-up....or in this case, eating Wheaties in the buff while unmarried.

So, boyfriend and girlfriend in a church congregation can go do the same?

Aquila thank God you aren't over a youth group.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

TK Burk... this is like beating my head on a brick wall.

I'll explain it again...

Just because something is "not legal" it doesn't mean it is "illegal". My dad was called "Rick" all his life. But "Rick" isn't his "legal" name. Does that mean that it was "illegal" to call my dad Rick? Of course not.

To those who understand what I'm saying, you're making yourself look rather silly and desperate to pin a crime on someone who has committed no crime.

Aquila common law marriages are not recognized by Ohio. So, if Rick ever got arrested they wouldn't address him as Rick.

[Sean]

Notice, that this entire argument is becoming about modern-day marriage? We should be speaking of biblical marriage. Now we are resorting to the government sanctioning biblical marriage. Modern marriage today is like getting your driver's license to the government.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

Notice, that this entire argument is becoming about modern-day marriage? We should be speaking of biblical marriage. Now we are resorting to the government sanctioning biblical marriage. Modern marriage today is like getting your driver's license to the government.

Sean, are you married?

If yes, did you get a license before you were married?

[Sean]

Yes, and a drivers license(by the same state).

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

Yes, and a drivers license(by the same state).

Then stop with your silly "we need to be speaking of biblical marriage" stuff.

I don't know if you say the type stuff you do to stir the pot, or if you're just stirred, but since you were married with a license, you cannot argue in favor of Aquila's position--that is unless you're going to renounce your licensed marriage.

Besides, there is a lot of talk about biblical marriage in this thread. Please, try to keep up.