Television Issue!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Mmmmm.....the bolded appears to be denial. Have you ever considered some therapy? You know, the first step of the 12 is to admit you have a problem. Maybe you should even consider shock therapy...it's coming back, you know. It's obvious you're still carrying things from your childhood, no telling what horrors you had to go through. I hope you can get this addressed.

Secondly, how on earth can you say you didn't alter what I said?????? Now I'm SURE you have issues that need to be addressed! You took what I said, substituted, "________" for "Flippin", and THEN said that I used "The F-word."

You know darn well what anyone reading this would believe I'd said AND IT'S NOT TRUE!!!! Your conscience should bother you.

Speaking of "It needed to be altered", I did a little research real quickly and found that the word, "flippin" has been used by:

Me
Pressing On
Forever Blessed (an Admin)
RgCraig (Recent Admin and Owner)
Nahum
Lacey
MrsMcD
ChoticResolve

The word, "Friggin" has been used by:

Socialite
Aquila
WalksInIslam
Scotty
Miss Brattified (Admin)

The word, "Freakin" has been used by:

Nibenon
DAII
Jeffrey
SimplyMe
StMark
Innocuous
RgCraig (Recent Admin and Owner)
Aquila
Christopher Hall (A lot)
GodsBabyGirl
Daniel Alicea



Hoovie, you've never shown up ONE SINGLE TIME to comment on any of it. Not once. I've used "flippin", which is from the movie "Napoleon", over 50- times myself. But NEVER did you comment, PM me about it, make any mention of it whatsoever.

Furthermore, never in the history of AFF has ANYONE, much less an Admin, replaced ANY of these words with, "_______".

UNTIL NOW. Interesting.

So after using the word, "flippin" over 50 times without ANYONE ever protesting, suddenly you feel the need to say that I used the "F-word" and said that it needed to be "altered."

Like I said, I must have REALLY disturbed you with my points in this thread. No, I take that back. It's not "I must have", I KNOW I did!

Makin' a list, checkin' it twice, gonna find out whose naughty or nice!

Renda is on TWO lists! Shocking!!!!! I'm only on one and that's not even the one I got an infraction for!

[MissBrattified]

I don't remember using the word *friggin'.* How embarrassing.

[MissBrattified]

Oh..here's the post. Context is everything.

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...&postcount=151

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

NOW, I think I was clear about what my personal feelings were, "I did not alter your original post (though it needs to be) It still contains the original F - word euphemism. Only when I quoted you did I take the word out."

About the word... I can't say I have never said the word myself... I do certainly not feel comfortable using it though.

This is no great witch hunt, but perhaps I responded as I did because you have openly stated that the REAL F-WORD IS COMPLETELY HARMLESS.

Your recent posts and PM have been increasingly aggressive if not threatening. Take a deep breath and then carry on.

Just take this as a gentle reminder that AFF is not a place where you have free rein.

But you didn't say, "contains the f-word euphemism." You said, "contains the f-word." It's too late to try to make it sound nicer.

Yes, in my opinion, the "real" f-word, when used as a substitute for "sexual intercourse" is "completely harmless, and not one bit different than saying, "making love." They're both slang terms.

Thank you for your "GENTLE REMINDER", and if your "GENTLE REMINDER" is a threat, then go ahead and infract away. But there's NO WAY you're going to drop insults of character assassination talking about the trouble I have with my childhood, WHICH YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, and talk about my need of counseling, and have me just roll over, play dead, and take it from you. You may have the privileges to the button of punishment, but it doesn't make you right.

"Free rein"? No poster, be they a member-commoner, or an owner-Admin, should have the "free rein" to publicly talk about another person's need of counseling and repeatedly talk about the trouble of my childhood....which again, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. Even Benincasa's insults weren't that bad. You actually managed to one-up Benincasa!!

It's not about me "being increasingly aggressive". Please. It's about what Col. Jessep said to LTJG Daniel Kaffee.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

About therapy, counseling or even specialized therapy for family/relationship etc.. These should never be seen as demeaning or insulting.

Whether I or someone else has need of such, it should not be a shameful matter. I realize our society is often less than kind to those needing mental clarity in things they have experienced, but the church should have no part in that.

Unreal. You CLEARLY were pointing out SOMETHING THAT WAS WRONG WITH ME, and then pointed me to get help. You know good and well the effect of such statements.

Of course it's not shameful to get counseling. In the multitude of counsel, there's safety. But that's not quite the spirit of your remarks to me.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Makin' a list, checkin' it twice, gonna find out whose naughty or nice!

Renda is on TWO lists! Shocking!!!!! I'm only on one and that's not even the one I got an infraction for!

Outside of me, you were actually the number one flippin' offender!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Oh..here's the post. Context is everything.

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...&postcount=151

I actually debated on whether or not to include you on the list. But after an hour or so of prayer and fasting, I figured I would. Why? Well, although you didn't use it directly, you still said it. Imagine if someone said, "I used to say "____ing" all the time....and I'm talking about the REAL word. Can you imagine if someone posted that? This forum would blow up.

So....I figured you were guilty!

[Hoovie]

NOW, I won't respond to the continued insults. But it was you that shared what you experienced at the hand of minister and father growing up ("What I witnessed repeatedly was hypocrisy and lying.") I fully admit to ignorance of your upbringing beyond that statement.

It's not about character assassination, nor does it mean there is anything "wrong" with you at all. I am very serious when I say this is best not handled in public. At this point I understand you can't receive that from me, but get opinions from others. Perhaps you can get guidance from someone close to you that you love and respect.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The Affirmation Statement says:

"I (Minister's name), do hereby declare that I believe and embrace the
Fundamental Doctrine as stated in the Articles of Faith as set forth in the
Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International. I also believe and
embrace the holiness standards of the United Pentecostal Church International
as set forth in said Articles of Faith, and
I pledge to practice, preach, and teach the same."

I dunno... It's pretty darn close to an oath if it isn't

I mean if the Affirmation Statement is not an oath then neither is the American Pledge of Allegiance: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." I've always heard the pledge of allegiance referred to as an oath though.

I think you're right and it is still an oath. However, there is no swearing involved, which is what makes a SWORN oath incorrect.

I found this info: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...in-an-oath.htm

Many oaths of office contain the text “I, ________ do swear (or affirm)...” When people take such an oath, they have the option of choosing between swearing and affirming, depending on the region where they live. When someone opts to affirm rather than to swear, the oath is more properly known as an affirmation. The difference between swearing and affirming in an oath or affirmation may seem subtle, but to some people, it is extremely important. It also continues to be an issue in some regions of the world.

Some Christians prefer to say “I affirm” rather than “I swear” because of a section in the Book of Matthew, in which Christ is said to have specifically advised His followers against swearing. Quakers, Mennonites, and members of some other Christian sects choose to affirm because they believe firmly in telling the truth at all times, and feel that swearing to tell the truth goes against their religious values because it suggests that they might lie at other times.

People have been taking oaths for thousands of years, and the issue of affirming as opposed to swearing only really began to arise in the 1600s, when the Christian church branched out into a multitude of differing sects, and some bold atheists began to be more outspoken about their beliefs. Quakers especially found themselves persecuted for refusing to swear, and they were barred from public office and unable to testify in court as a result of their religious beliefs.

The alternative of an affirmation began to be suggested, with one of the first laws explicitly allowing people to affirm rather than swear appearing in England. Over time, the convention of offering both choices began to be quite common, and the language “swear (or affirm)” was written directly into the text of many oaths of office. Affirmation is not an option all over the world, however, and this can become an issue when someone of a cultural or religious background which forbids swearing is obliged to testify in a country where affirmations are not accepted.

There are differing conventions about the decision to affirm, rather than to swear. In some regions, it is assumed that someone will swear, and when the text of an oath is read out loud, “or affirm” may be left out. If someone wants to make an affirmation rather than an oath in these cases, he or she must inform the person administering the affirmation before it takes place. In some regions, someone must also provide grounds for preferring to affirm rather than swear. For example, a Quaker would say that he or she is opposed to swearing for religious reasons.

The term AFFIRMATION was chosen specifically to allay these kind of thoughts. It's like being in court. You can swear OR AFFIRM. Hence, the "affirmation statement". So it is nonsense to say the affirmation is a SWORN OATH. I should have stated it is an oath but not a SWORN oath as NOW said it was.

So what do people SWEAR BY in the affirmation? Where do they say, "I solemnly do swear.."? SWEARING is the issue.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Yes, in my opinion, the "real" f-word, when used as a substitute for "sexual intercourse" is "completely harmless, and not one bit different than saying, "making love." They're both slang terms.

Wow, NOW.