The UPC is a dying movement!

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by CC1

I don't think one can understate the importance of the UPC. Without it we would still be printing the price of items in tiny little stickers which would then fall off half the time before you got the item to the checkout lane!-0=][

LOL lets see how long it takes other to figure that out.

[Carl]

It's shocking that the UPC was behind the implementing of bar codes since that is part of the one world government system of the end times.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Carl

It's shocking that the UPC was behind the implementing of bar codes since that is part of the one world government system of the end times.

oh noes, the UPC = 666?

[aegsm76]

UPC is so behind the times.
QR is where it's at...

[shazeep]

so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark

Originally Posted by Carl

It's shocking that the UPC was behind the implementing of bar codes since that is part of the one world government system of the end times.

i don't get shocking there, i mean they're placing hands of protection on presidential gropers now, so what is shocking.

[KeptByTheWord]

Uh oh... the UPC=666 is really the beast... lol!

[Carl]

Originally Posted by shazeep

so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark
i don't get shocking there, i mean they're placing hands of protection on presidential gropers now, so what is shocking.

What? wadr, lob another, who is groping the president? Of course that is a slam dunk if they are part of the NWO. Trump said he would not want to be in a foxhole with any of them, always thought there was a connection between my church and the bar codes.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

In 2008 an invitation only gathering of like-minded and mostly young pastors and ministers and their spouses of the UPC were invited to the UPC church in Auborn Hills, MI (formerly of Pontiac, MI). After the departure of the very conservative elements in 2007 over TV advertising there was some hope that this group (about 60-75 ministers) might be able to have some freedom to convene and discuss off limits topics like traditional Apostolic dress codes and standards. I was invited and attended.

This was new territory for us because a lot of us had lived in fear of the ultra right in the UPC because they often were motivated to try to keep the organization free of anyone who would question the status quo when it came to dress codes and standards of lifestyle. We all knew each other, had often had off the record conversations about our doubts concerning the Biblical basis for many of the traditional standards, but also tried to walk that tightrope of staying in what we had always known, the UPC, and living with a clean conscience. Many of us struggled with the Affirmation Statement. Many of my friends would never sign it with little to no consequence. Others would alter the AS and sign it so as to not sign and be dishonest. Others would sign it and feel conflicted because they knew they could never do what was demanded of the AS.

So we gathered for two days and three nights. We invited Rex Johnson and T F Tenney to talk with us. We advertised it low key, word of mouth, there were no formal invitations mailed out, etc. We wanted a safe place to be honest about how we felt about these issues without being blackballed, black listed, or disciplined for stating our consciences, expressing our doubts, or asking questions. It ended up being three days that were refreshing and encouraging. Everyone there loved the UPC and looked forward to see what we thought was this new day of goodwill and peace to advance the UPC into the 21st century and become relevant to this generation.

It was simply a gathering of like-minded people who wanted to get together, pray, talk, worship, listen, ask questions, and fellowship.

Of course rumors began to circulate that this was a secret gathering to start a new organization. All kinds of wild tales began to spread. We were
preached about for the next year or so at various camp meetings and conferences that year. Reports of the "Pontiac" group being called out by prominent leaders of the UPC from the pulpit were coming back to us by people that were there.

I attended an annual men's conference later that year in my district and pot shots were taken at us from the pulpit. I knew my days in the UPC were numbered. Coupled with a champion of "Apostolic Identity", the man who coined the phrase, working behind the scenes to alienate and isolate me and my church over our lack of standards, I was worn out with it. It was the last UPC event I attended. I and my church remained UPC until 2011 when we formally disaffiliated and I let my license go. In that three year period however, we stopped actively participating in the UPC.

We never tried to form a new organization. We in fact wanted to stay in the UPC. Our hope was that we could "agree to disagree" on the non-essentials but remain united under the One God, Jesus Name message. The UPC after losing the ultra conservatives in 2007 seemed to lurch right trying to prove to its conservative critics that it was going liberal. "Apostolic Identity" became the buzzword and they doubled down on making sure that if you didn't practice, teach, and preach the holiness standards as defined in the UPCI Manual, you should turn in your credentials and leave. So little by little, one by one, we began to leave.

We survived. We found fellowship. Some of us started youth camps and kids camps for our young people. Most of us are doing fine. We got the message and we moved on.

However, I don't believe any of us thought that the UPC would die because we left. I never heard any predictions related to that. I don't think any of us wish the UPC any harm either.

Deac, I don't know how I missed this post...I suppose I was overlooking everything else, and concentrating on Elder E's posts...

What you have written was as it was described to me re this 'meeting'. Thank you...

[FlamingZword]

I would hate to see the UPC dead, I want it to simply trim the dead leaves of legalism that is not helping it grow and to see it get revitalized and growing, and spreading the Apostolic message.

[Cracker Barrel]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

I would hate to see the UPC dead, I want it to simply trim the dead leaves of legalism that is not helping it grow and to see it get revitalized and growing, and spreading the Apostolic message.

Why have you changed? What happened to you, Brother?