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[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Ferd

no point in continueing if you dont even know what you are doing.

Excellent advice! Heed it.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

BUT sometimes it is real fun to interject thoughts for the drama.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Know what assuming does?

Yes'm, and a lot of it's been going on on this thread since.....oh.....about page....1.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

LOL! I'll add my part then.

My only argument is - stop saying it is "not salvational" and then saying you are backslid if you cut it. That doesn't make any sense!!! Argghhhhh!!!

Linked from my post at GNC:

Many people are using the wrong definition for the word "power" in I Corinthians!


Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing theScriptures, nor the powerr1411 of God.
G1411
δύναμις
dunamis
doo'-nam-is
From G1410; force (literally or figuratively); specifically miraculous power (usually by implication a miracle itself): - ability, abundance, meaning, might (-ily, -y, -y deed), (worker of) miracle (-s), power, strength, violence, mighty (wonderful) work.

1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power1849 on her head because of the angels.

G1849
ἐξουσία
exousia
ex-oo-see'-ah
From G1832 (in the sense of ability); privilege, that is, (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence: - authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.

Having understood this, I see that the "power in the hair" is not miraculous, but being a privilege, a freedom and a right.

This therefore, leads me to the issue of "culture" that Paul is addressing. I believe that Brother Stoneking has put it best and I am happy to post this, because I have studied this for a time and desired to find a reference like the one he gives in National Geographic. I will be checking this out in my local library shortly:

(Excerpted from a message by Lee Stoneking)

From the Theological Dictionary of the NT by Kittel, published by Erdmans, in Biblical times, when you entered Corinth, at the top of the hill was the Temple of Diana. The first sailor, from the sea, to the top of the hill, was given free access to the whole of the harlot harems of Diana. The prostitutes, in the Temple, all had short hair. It had been given as a sacrifice to the Goddess Diana.

In National Geographic magazine, June 1972, page 774, I found a picture of an altar, whereupon, women of Biblical times sacrificed their hair. Found in the city of Aphrodisas (?) located in SW Turkey, the Temple of Aphrodite towers behind it's blazing altar. Women entered to sacrifice their hair in annual morning for the death of Aphrodite's' lover Adonis, a writ created by artists from ancient accounts.

When Paul wrote what he wrote in Corinthians, these Greek maidens, who were beautiful, when they served the religions of Greece, they cut their long beautiful tresses and they were sacrificed on blazing altars to the goddesses inside those temples and their bodies were given to harlotry or to the goddesses of love in that religion. The people, these women, who were converted to Christianity, they had done this for their old gods. They assumed that when they got into Christianity they should also sacrifice their hair for this new God, Jesus. Therefrom, the question arose about the cutting of hair and Paul was addressed and he wrote back and said, "We have no such custom, neither the churches of God." What he was saying was, "Women, when you come to Jesus, we have no such custom as they have in the heathen temple of cutting your hair and giving it as a sacrifice to the goddess'. We have no such custom in the church as they have in the heathen temples.

Again, because of the definition of "power" - "exousia" - Paul is reassuring the women coming into their new found faith to understand and know that they have a privilege, a freedom and a right to keep their hair and to submit to the man over them as he submits to Christ.
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In fact other translations render this "she should have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels"...leads me to believe that the subject is her being under authority of her husband just as the angels are uinder authority of their head and have some sort of sign that was obvious to the early church but is lost on us

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Gotta love her for wanting to run through every nook and cranny.

I only "gotta" cuz the Bible tells me to!

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

All I want is scripture that backs up a woman having uncut hair, uncut hair that gives her a hedge of protection, and uncut hair that gives her power with the angels. I don't think that's too much to ask, and while OGIA isn't stepping up to the plate, neither is anyone else.

Well, first off and once again, I don't recall saying that a woman's uncut hair gives her power with the angels. I do recall saying a hundred or so pages that back that I agree with the obedience factor bringing special protection to her and her family. Doesn't MY obedience do that for me and MY family?

Yes, the man is the head of the woman, but does that mean the woman is void of favor with God? I don't think so. She is being obedient by not cutting her hair which lets God and the angels know that she is submitted. The angels somehow relate to this, but that's as far as I will carry it.

Now, HO, tell me what you think this means:

1 Corinthians 11
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

[CC1]

OGIA,

I have never seen anybody explain that verse logically or coherently from any position.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by CC1

OGIA,

I have never seen anybody explain that verse logically or coherently from any position.

That's the one consistent thing about the whole hair deal.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by OGIA

Well, first off and once again, I don't recall saying that a woman's uncut hair gives her power with the angels. I do recall saying a hundred or so pages that back that I agree with the obedience factor bringing special protection to her and her family. Doesn't MY obedience do that for me and MY family?

Yes, the man is the head of the woman, but does that mean the woman is void of favor with God? I don't think so. She is being obedient by not cutting her hair which lets God and the angels know that she is submitted. The angels somehow relate to this, but that's as far as I will carry it.

Now, HO, tell me what you think this means:

1 Corinthians 11
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

Perhaps this is a symbol that the woman was made for the man and not to have offspring by the angels.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by CC1

OGIA,

I have never seen anybody explain that verse logically or coherently from any position.

Until NOW, you mean???





Yeah, I agree -- that was !!


I gave my opinion about it. I haven't gotten an answer about it that I fully accept and incorporate in my belief, either. But, HO's yet to let me in on her take of it. I hope even Ferdy will drop in his half-centavo, too!!

Who knows? They may have the key!