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01-26-2008, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
DJ, this has also been my observation. While I am not sure I can say they "had the most" it is apparant the hardline positions did not foster any special insulation, and that seems to be the point.
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You may be right Stephen, but neither did the soft line. Teenagers of any group have a hard time resisting temptation. And DJ only pointed out the girl's dress as a point. Who do you think the boys were that were in that group or any group. Modestly dressed or not they all faced the same problems.
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01-26-2008, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
They do?
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LOL. I agree with your question.
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01-26-2008, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by timlan2057
Now Steadfast, in your attempts to make these Tulsa brethren's motives appear as pure as the wind-driven snow, you gotta admit the kid might have a point here.
"Might"?
I KNOW he does.
Let's use a specific example of whether the Tulsa guys are motivated by the UPC drifting "leftward."
I guess "worldly sports" would be considered something these guys would be concerned with, eh?
I notice Rick Treece is one of the "council of 49."
He's a great guy, a fine minister and one of the not-so-many whose ministry is not just a pale reflection of daddy's. He carved out his own niche and is not just "prophecy preacher" Jr.
Marvin Treece was not my pastor. Murrell Ewing was. But Marvin Treece was probably the preacher I tried to emulate as far as study habits, qualifications and professional bearing.
One could sit in front of Marvin Treece and feel the same sense of "qualification" and "professionalism" that one feels in his doctor's or attorney's office.
That's not a common thing to me.
A significant number of "ole time" pentecostal preachers, I wouldn't want or trust to counsel me when to go use the bathroom, much less on weightier matters involving my career or family.
But my relationship with the Treeces goes back many years.
I've preached for them and they've preached for me.
Marvin and Rick never were big "organizational" men.
I don't mean that in a bad sense - but in the sense that Marvin might not go every night to Louisiana campmeeting because he was fatigued from preaching out. Like he told me one time: "I want to be home sometimes."
But I find it rather ludicrous that Rick Treece would be on the general board of a new organization predicated on being more "holy" and "conservative" than the present day UPC.
But anyway, back to "worldly sports."
My ex-brother-in-law has attended Apostolic Temple for many years.
And yes, we still have very friendly relations.
His sons are and were extremely good high school athletes ... almost borderline college-scholarship athletes. Baseball and basketball, primarily.
And yes, with all the "immodest clothing" and "worldly atmosphere" and all the tired old cliches "old time pentecost" throws at these things.
I checked with my son and daughter to be sure my facts were straight and they mentioned times when their cousins could not be at youth camp because of American Legion baseball schedules.
Now me personally?
I'M not calling "hypocrites." My children's cousins are fine young men and I'm glad they are examples of 21st century apostolic youth, ALONG with Kathleen Herles.
I guess the stone-throwers like this "Melody" would rather have them on a barstool than wearing a dress that shows a little shoulder or wearing basketball shorts.
I'm not condemning - I applaud Pastor Treece for not being some micro-manager pastor.
And yes, my ex-brother-in-law's family is involved and are one of the main families at Apostolic Temple - they are not just observers.
Pray tell, HOW would some of these neanderthals in the Tulsa crowd feel if they knew one of their oh-so-conservative general board members allows his youth to play worldly high school sports?
So what is happening?
This is a political shindig where these guys are tolerating in their buddies what they condemn in their political enemies.
That's the truth that this SPECIFIC example brings out.
I won't even TOUCH the TV thing.
But frankly, I don't blame Epley for laughing at some of the names on there who are so dead set against television while their churches are full of them.
I'll leave that alone.
But if any of you people trying to make plaster saints out of this Tulsa gang challenges me on this, I can and WILL name names.
But you people know the truth of that as much as I do.
So JrLa, for a young guy with a lot to learn, you hit the nail right on the head so don't let anyone try to tell you your youth betrays you here.
Tulsa is NOT about "convictions."
It's about POLITICS, pure and simple.
And some of you preachers and others can just wrestle with that all you want to.
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Tim, you have a brutal way of being honest. Thank You!
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01-26-2008, 04:59 PM
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A Prince of the Gospel!
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Tim...I like your style...straight to the point...there's no substitute for pure honesty...
but there are others who are still practicing the fine, gentleman's art of rationalization...
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01-26-2008, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RevBuddy
Hey, Ya'll...
Do you think it's tooooo early to have "merger" talks between the two organizations - the UPCI and the WPF?
I feel confident that there are many areas of mutual agreement and vision. Let's have 1 or 2 representatives from each organization meet to discuss potential dates and locations for official "merger" talks to be held. I'm sure these wonderful, anointed men can find a clear and true path to reconciliation and join together for the mutual benefit of all parties involved...
"Can't we all just get along?" Come on now, let's say, "yes" to the UWPFI!!
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Or howsabout'... WUPPIFC
or PUPWIFC
or FUWPICP???
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01-26-2008, 05:03 PM
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A Prince of the Gospel!
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Originally Posted by scotty
Why not , they are the same. Just that someone else wanted to sit on the high seat.
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No problem, mon! We can create additional Assistant and Deputy Superintendents positions...now we only have the Eastern and Western zone Assistant Superintendents...after carefully considering all those who really NEED a position to feel loved...
we can have Assistant Superintendents for the Western, Eastern, Southern, Northern, Ultra Conservative, Conservative, Kinda Conservative, More Moderate, Moderate, Less Moderate, Less Liberal, Liberal, More Liberal and Simply Ridiculouis Zones...
that will create at least 12 more high official positions of influence and effectiveness...surely we have room in the organizational structure for all our mutual friends and egomaniacs!!!
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01-26-2008, 10:03 PM
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Re: Tulsa Report Day 2
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
How is my post troubling?
I am not trying to be vicious here, I just don't think that entire conversation should be swept under the rug.
I was banned over that event.
I took my punishment - no problem.
I just think there is an issue that is being overlooked here.
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Does anyone on this forum believe for one minute that there will not be a new, totally separate organization which will arise from the WPF "fellowship"? All of this blather over who said what when gets a little tiresome. There will be a separation. Period.
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01-26-2008, 10:08 PM
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A Prince of the Gospel!
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Re: Tulsa Report Day 2
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01-26-2008, 10:10 PM
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Re: Tulsa Report Day 2
Time will tell.
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01-26-2008, 10:13 PM
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Re: Tulsa Report Day 2
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Originally Posted by NW Pastor
Does anyone on this forum believe for one minute that there will not be a new, totally separate organization which will arise from the WPF "fellowship"? All of this blather over who said what when gets a little tiresome. There will be a separation. Period.
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imho...one good look at the website and you would have to be blind to think otherwise.
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