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View Poll Results: Adino's statement (in post #1) expresses my understanding concerning water baptism:
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11-29-2007, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by staysharp
The ceremony of baptism under the old covenant required continual cleansing. Somewhat of a religious bath. If you were unclean, you needed a new bath. These baths were "mitzvahs" and are still visible under many ruins in Jerusalem and throughout the region.
When Jesus died, he was the perfect sacrifice and forever perfected them which are sanctified. He became the final and complete sacrifice. I know you know this, but here is the difference.
If baptism could save you, you wouldn't need the cross. If your analogy is correct, and baptism does "wash or remit sin", then what happens the next time a person sins? Yep, they would need to be re baptized....
Baptism is a sign of a committed heart to Jesus Christ and identifies with His sacrifice for us. It's what we do for Him, because of what he did for us. Acts 2:38..."For the remission of sin", Or For the sake of the Cross. |
Staysharp is like a razor on the essential points here.
Baptism is not done to obtain salvation. It is done BECAUSE OF salvation.
By the way, staysharp... they're mikvahs, not mitzvahs. Mitzvah was the teachings known as the Law, not the ritual baths used for baptisms...
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11-29-2007, 03:42 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by Brother Price
staysharp, baptism is something based solely on the sacrifice of Christ. It is not a work of man, but is something instituted by the Lord, for the salvation of the soul. Baptism does not negate the Cross, but it is where the covenant recipient and the Mediator meet.
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HUH????
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11-29-2007, 03:43 PM
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Holy Unto The Lord
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I am having to type this with gloves on. Need to medicate my Dad, and these gloves hinder. Am waiting for him to get up so I can help him. Will clarify later.
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11-29-2007, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronzo
Staysharp is like a razor on the essential points here.
Baptism is not done to obtain salvation. It is done BECAUSE OF salvation.
By the way, staysharp... they're mikvahs, not mitzvahs. Mitzvah was the teachings known as the Law, not the ritual baths used for baptisms...
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Sorry for the typo, my sharpness is wearing off.:happyfamily
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11-29-2007, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by staysharp
Sorry for the typo, my sharpness is wearing off.:happyfamily
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Hey stay sharp does "point of order" mean anything to you?
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Always put off 'till tomorrow what you should not do at all.
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11-29-2007, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor G
Hey stay sharp does "point of order" mean anything to you?
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Are you referring to "point of order" as in three steps? Please clarify.
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11-29-2007, 03:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Price
staysharp, baptism is something based solely on the sacrifice of Christ. It is not a work of man, but is something instituted by the Lord, for the salvation of the soul. Baptism does not negate the Cross, but it is where the covenant recipient and the Mediator meet.
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Nope, where they meet is at Calvary. The blood was shed at Calvary. Jesus died at Calvary. The blood is not applied at baptism, but at Calvary when fallen man submits to the work of the cross.
Jesus said...all of heaven rejoices over one sinner who repents,...not is baptized.
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