Question about Acts 2:38: What about the martyrs?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

no, i am trying to say that you are compelled to characterize what i have said in this way, so that you will have an enemy to fight, and that you are unwittingly denying the truth of the Gospel in all of your insistent declaration of It, as you beg for peace. "All Muslims, Buddhists, everyone but us is lost--why won't God bring us peace?" arg

Shazeep? was Bahá'u'lláh on the right path?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

no, i am trying to say that you are compelled to characterize what i have said in this way, so that you will have an enemy to fight, and that you are unwittingly denying the truth of the Gospel in all of your insistent declaration of It, as you beg for peace. "All Muslims, Buddhists, everyone but us is lost--why won't God bring us peace?" arg

Shazeep? was Shri Ramakrishna on the right path?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

no, i am trying to say that you are compelled to characterize what i have said in this way, so that you will have an enemy to fight, and that you are unwittingly denying the truth of the Gospel in all of your insistent declaration of It, as you beg for peace. "All Muslims, Buddhists, everyone but us is lost--why won't God bring us peace?" arg

Shazeep? was Swami Vivekananda on the right path?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

no, i am trying to say that you are compelled to characterize what i have said in this way, so that you will have an enemy to fight, and that you are unwittingly denying the truth of the Gospel in all of your insistent declaration of It, as you beg for peace. "All Muslims, Buddhists, everyone but us is lost--why won't God bring us peace?" arg

Shazeep? was Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh on the right path?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

my agenda is to suggest that that is all illusion, and peering into evil, into satan's domain, and joining with it. They Are Evil, So Let's Go Fight Them. go ahead, i cannot stop you. The kingdoms of the world are satan's domain, and as long as you are in the world, you are compelled to contend with violence and death. I suggest you be very afraid--you are aware that ISIS now has training camps in the US, right? They are coming; for you.
http://www.military.com/video/operat.../660940716001/

Again, so if I say all Hindus are lost, is that going to cause Hindus to attack the United States? If I say all Trinitarians are lost, will their sleeper cells see it is time to take over the government? Your agenda is promoting hate, when nobody here has mixed saying someone is lost soteriologically with ill will towards the person or group.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

what you mean is that you sincerely hope that i am lying, because you have accepted a model that appeals to your ego, and is naturally unassailable by reason or common sense; even its fruit is dismissed. Scripture that illuminates this is applied to others. You have found the Scriptures you seek, to apply to yourself (actually, that is not true--left to your own devices, you would have been fine; you trusted men to guide you). How do you expect a Muslim to hear "Muslims are lost" any differently than you hear "Mike, you are as lost as two boys kissing." And i posit that we manifested homosexuals with all this, but let's not go there right now. Or do, whatever--yes, it is the same.

Shall i show you how they are getting into the kingdom ahead of you, along with the whores and tax collectors? Because "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves, and seek My face, I will heal their nation" is true, then we are waiting on Pents, i think. "The sea" is not regarded in the equation. And it can get way worse than homosexuals, i guess. You say that they are in sin? How is that working out for you? If they are in sin, and represent "the sea," then why do you imagine that they are regarded in the judgement of your nation? This is an illusion, that i can provide Scripture for. They are your judgement.

The way you measure out is the way it will be measured to you, oh lost one.

Oh you can be so judgmental. Lol " oh lost one. "

I spoke with wii and showed him the details and reasoning of salvation by the cross. This issue is the heart and core of the bible, not verses I found that I looked to suit my need. You avoid the points I raised about the heart of the bible and salvation and mock them as though they're lesser issues like incest.

Represent the "sea"? What on earth are you talking about? Why do you avoid the core points is my view?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

when the salt loses its flavor, throw it in the fire.

Your gospel is devoid of the work of God by the cross so that people need only follow the Lord's good example to be saved. Too bad he was crucified huh? There would have been more good works to mimic. Pesky old shedding of blood. No point in that.

You judge my intentions saying I could only day what I do for ego. Meanwhile my issue urn salvation by works had nothing to do with intentions. One either realizes Christ's work of the cross of all that can save or not. The truth is a real revelation deflates ego. Ego feeds on things like salvation by world's, since it's part and parcel with grounds to boast.

I realized grace and the work of the cross, and dropped all these self efforts used to try to impress God. I was so thrilled with learning this truth it became the issue to share. I only see more and more of it. It sets free. But you think the absolute worst of my intentions, acting like your God who sees the motives, and do the furthest thing from hoping all things. 1 Co 13. Muslims are the perfect people to show this to, since they're steeped in works.

Paul said the flesh hates grace as it really is, and people will twist the word about that more than anything else. .. partly due to fleshly inability to receive truth but also due to an ingrained desire to boast of your two cents. grace strips you of that.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Again, so if I say all Hindus are lost, is that going to cause Hindus to attack the United States? If I say all Trinitarians are lost, will their sleeper cells see it is time to take over the government? Your agenda is promoting hate, when nobody here has mixed saying someone is lost soteriologically with ill will towards the person or group.

well, i don't know any of those people. But if you wish to equate "they are lost" with "love your enemies," and then pretend you are not hating them, or providing tacit permission to oppress them, then who am i to stop you. I suggest that Muslims are just the most convenient target for an agenda of hate, for whatever reason. I suspect that it is because they were conceived to contend with us, as per Scripture.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Oh you can be so judgmental. Lol " oh lost one. "

how does it feel?

Originally Posted by mfblume

I spoke with wii and showed him the details and reasoning of salvation by the cross. This issue is the heart and core of the bible, not verses I found that I looked to suit my need. You avoid the points I raised about the heart of the bible and salvation and mock them as though they're lesser issues like incest.

Represent the "sea"? What on earth are you talking about? Why do you avoid the core points is my view?

because this is not about whether Muslims are lost or not; it is about all the time and effort you have wasted, if your response to the Good News is "All ______ are lost." At least consider how you might have fallen into a self serving doctrine. I did not mock them, either, their spirit is vital--but you argue over words, which will not save you. Memorize the Bible, if you like--it will still be measured to you the way you measure to others. If "the sea" has no meaning for you, then disregard it--that must have been for someone else.

Of what concern is it to you that all Muslims are lost, if you are lost, too? If you sound just like everyone else--the sea--on a matter, how do you imagine that you are any higher than them? And then you think that you can guide someone to the details and reasoning of salvation by the cross? Why, when i have shown you by the simplest passages that you are lost, and you do not accept it? Was he supposed to have a different reaction from yours? I submit to you that he did have a different reaction--he is no longer here!

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Your gospel is devoid of the work of God by the cross so that people need only follow the Lord's good example to be saved. Too bad he was crucified huh? There would have been more good works to mimic. Pesky old shedding of blood. No point in that.

You judge my intentions saying I could only day what I do for ego. Meanwhile my issue urn salvation by works had nothing to do with intentions. One either realizes Christ's work of the cross of all that can save or not. The truth is a real revelation deflates ego. Ego feeds on things like salvation by world's, since it's part and parcel with grounds to boast.

I realized grace and the work of the cross, and dropped all these self efforts used to try to impress God. I was so thrilled with learning this truth it became the issue to share. I only see more and more of it. It sets free. But you think the absolute worst of my intentions, acting like your God who sees the motives, and do the furthest thing from hoping all things. 1 Co 13. Muslims are the perfect people to show this to, since they're steeped in works.

Paul said the flesh hates grace as it really is, and people will twist the word about that more than anything else. .. partly due to fleshly inability to receive truth but also due to an ingrained desire to boast of your two cents. grace strips you of that.

you can always find some justification for anything, mike--even "Muslims are lost"--if that is what you are looking for. If you try looking for the truth in what i have said, rather than dissecting the words, looking for some little slip, you can find that, too. Setting free will be reflected in your speech, and you have announced your premises already. Yes, they might be at odds with your intentions. This is why we say the road to hell is paved with the good ones.

Don't expect anyone to react any differently than you do to "You are lost." I am telling you that with the best of intentions, also. You are lost. Is that encouraging? Does it sound loving to you? I have backed it up with Scripture--why are you not responding? See why prostitutes and tax collectors are accepted, and lawyers are not. And heed the fruit, which can't be ignored, imo.