Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Hmmmm... That's the best answer you have for a muslim lying while taking the oath to become an American citizen is the UPC has liars? My Mom never would accept "but Mom everyone else is doing it". Here's the oath which part would you lie about?

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

That's It! I could not take that oath: and I believe that was my last chance to
become President of the United States.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Hmmmm... That's the best answer you have for a muslim lying while taking the oath to become an American citizen is the UPC has liars? My Mom never would accept "but Mom everyone else is doing it". Here's the oath which part would you lie about?

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Hypocrisy is a big claim.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Hmmmm... That's the best answer you have for a muslim lying while taking the oath to become an American citizen is the UPC has liars? My Mom never would accept "but Mom everyone else is doing it". Here's the oath which part would you lie about?

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

I'm a Texan and descended from an unbroken line of good christian klansmen. Why are you asking me about US citizenship as if I care what that oath says?

In your knee-trembling excitement to not answer the question about the god fearing 'anointed' apostolic minister you must have missed my answer. I am sure it was inadvertent. Here it is again, easily found in the previous post.

Answer to the original question is no, it is not OK for a Muslim to lie when taking the oath of US citizenship.

"...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."

This does, I believe, follow your bible where similar circumstances were used as justification for telling untruths.

Your turn. Did this highly regarded apostolic minister sin when whipping up the cheering sheep by lying to them in this sermon or does he join the rest of them as the ends justifies the means? Was it sin to lie to congregations while declaring the catholic church as the kingdom of the beast followed by the USSR as the kingdom of the beast followed by the EU as the kingdom of the beast by other highly regarded ministers in this slice of the christian faith? Do any of you wonder what else you were lied to about or do you just cheer and clap like the sheep in the video clip do?

These are the questions you beat your kids for asking. Do you to answer.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Hypocrisy is a big claim.

The question was asked and answered. Now twice. I doubt I will get the same direct answer that I supplied.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I'm a Texan dude and descended from an unbroken line of good christian klansmen. Why are you asking me about US citizenship as if I care what that oath says?

In your knee-trembling excitement to not answer the question about the god fearing 'anointed' apostolic minister you must have missed my answer. I am sure it was inadvertent. Here it is again, easily found in the previous post.

Answer to the original question is no, it is not OK for a Muslim to lie when taking the oath of US citizenship.

"...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."

Your turn. Did this highly regarded apostolic minister sin when whipping up the cheering sheep by lying to them in this sermon or does he join the rest of them as the ends justifies the means? Was it sin to lie to congregations while declaring the catholic church as the kingdom of the beast followed by the USSR as the kingdom of the beast followed by the EU as the kingdom of the beast by other highly regarded ministers in this slice of the christian faith? Do any of you wonder what else you were lied to about or do you just cheer like sheep as those in the video clip do?

Sorry Mr. Texan, didn't mean to insult you. The question wasn't to a Texan, but a muslim that would be taking the Oath of Allegiance. BTW I did miss your original answer. Sorry. I went back and TRIED to make out the distorted link and couldn't really understand, so I guess I will just have to take a pass on your question.

PS Don't "beat: my kids.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

That's It! I could not take that oath: and I believe that was my last chance to
become President of the United States.

Phoenix droppings don't explain the words of apostolic ministers.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Married teen report stands. Why? She appears to have left her family's and was a part of Joseph's household based on the story that they travelled to Bethlehem together, as a couple, for the census. I highly doubt that they raised any eyebrows along the way. I truly believe that you aren't implying that Joseph was "sneaking a teen girl across state lines" so to speak without being married to her.

Back to topic which is sin, not history, as your colleague (yea you can have him take him please) has said enough times to make one nauseated:

Is the above a sin or not a sin?

Marriage at young ages IS a distasteful practice. I agree. Based on the Bible: Sinful? Yes or No? I cannot find anything, anywhere, that says that it is.

bY YOUR OWN WORDS:
(Php 4:8 KJV) Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

(Php 4:8 ESV) Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.


(Jas 4:17 KJV) Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
(Jas 4:17 ESV) So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Common sense makes it clear that a prepubescent girl should never have to deal with a 50+ year old man like your prophet or the multitudes of Mohammedans that have followed the teachings of that man.

I could get into a Bible study but you have already proven you don't care.
Is it a "sin" for a 50 year old man to consumate a marriage with a 9 year old girl? Yes.

The Bible never condones such a twisted "distaseful" practice. In every marriage God did condone it was always with a mature young woman or an older woman.

I am glad you admit the practice of your "holy man" was distasteful.
I am glad you acknowledge that your deity is "distasteful".
I am glad you recognize that the teachings of your "holy man" are distasteful.

You may not practice this but your religion does and you have spent much time defending the "distasteful" practice.

So when are you going to leave that distasteful religious system?
Seems to me that if you truly thought is was egregious you would leave and would have left already.
Your actions speak louder than words.
You really don't care.
You have no problem supporting such a diabolical system.
Shame on you.
Shame on that religious system that is based on manipulation and exploitation.
Shame on your "prophet".
Shame on your deity.

Go ahead and continue to support and defend the indefensible. Let everyone know what muslims think about that practice...

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pliny

The Bible never condones such a " currently distaseful" practice. In every marriage God did condone it was always with a mature young woman or an older woman.

Distaseful is not actually a real word. You are still e-stuttering. Lay off the coffee. I was not talking to you anyway. You have posts way back that were addressed to you but you have chosen to ignore them and have injected unwelcome information of zero value into what was a polite discussion.

While I supplied specific references from the book of Numbers where it was specifically condoned and even commanded I will not accept unrelated passages from you that have nothing to do with those specific commands.

You were actually tasked with providing information that you have failed to provide. Now you are reaching for any unrelated passage you can find to justify applying your personal definition of sin to all of history.

That's pathetic.

Your insults minus the information you were tasked to bring back and share mean nothing here. It does not take a whole bible study to answer the very direct and simple questions that have been asked of you. You are right about one thing. I did care, but that was when I thought I would learn something new. Now I do not.

I did not ask for stories of a Shia Ayatollah and I did not ask you about "common sense". You have nothing to teach here except that you are another apostolic who feels qualified to judge in place of God. Yawn. There are many of you. Get back in line. You spoke out of turn.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Sorry Mr. Texan, didn't mean to insult you. The question wasn't to a Texan, but a muslim that would be taking the Oath of Allegiance. BTW I did miss your original answer. Sorry. I went back and TRIED to make out the distorted link and couldn't really understand, so I guess I will just have to take a pass on your question.

PS Don't "beat: my kids.

Accepted.

I am sure you do not.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Distaseful is not actually a real word. You are still e-stuttering. Lay off the coffee. I was not talking to you anyway. You have posts way back that were addressed to you but you have chosen to ignore them and have injected unwelcome information of zero value into what was a polite discussion.

While I supplied specific references from the book of Numbers where it was specifically condoned and even commanded I will not accept unrelated passages from you that have nothing to do with those specific commands.

You were actually tasked with providing information that you have failed to provide. Now you are reaching for any unrelated passage you can find to justify applying your personal definition of sin to all of history.

That's pathetic.

Your insults minus the information you were tasked to bring back and share mean nothing here. It does not take a whole bible study to answer the very direct and simple questions that have been asked of you. You are right about one thing. I did care, but that was when I thought I would learn something new. Now I do not.

I did not ask for stories of a Shia Ayatollah and I did not ask you about "common sense". You have nothing to teach here except that you are another apostolic who feels qualified to judge in place of God. Yawn. There are many of you. Get back in line. You spoke out of turn.

Do you believe all (or the majority) of apostolics speak "in place of God"? I am not wading into your conversation with Pliny but I am always grieved when someone makes a generalized claim about apostolics that they are intellectually dishonest. While the dishonest may be found in every sect and every religion, is it not unwise to lump an entire group in with a perceived character defect, as if we all were a bunch of traditionalists who actually don't care what the Word of God says? (Again, I am not speaking to the immediate disputatious issues between Pliny and yourself. On THAT topic I shared what seems to be the Biblical standard for marriage - puberty. What cultures and societies do, or how close to the divine ideal they come, is another issue imo.)