Backslider Justification & Delusion Forum

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I don't know any illegal aliens personally.

If I did and they weren't saved, I'd probably do all I could to get them deported.

If they were saved, I'd respond differently to them, though ultimately it would be my goal to see them back in their own country.

Seems like to me, if you tried to get anyone deported, it would be the saved folks. First, they're being dishonest with their status and supposedly not pleasing God. Second, those that are unsaved are just that many more people you'd want to get saved. True?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Sam

PITA or PETA?

I had a PETA Tee shirt that spelled it out
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

My teenage grandson appropriated it and wears it

Well, I guess that shows I'm not actually a member of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals!!!

I saw a great bumper sticker the other day that said, "God didn't put me at the top of the food chain to eat no vegetables."

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Seems like to me, if you tried to get anyone deported, it would be the saved folks. First, they're being dishonest with their status and supposedly not pleasing God. Second, those that are unsaved are just that many more people you'd want to get saved. True?

TRUE!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

TRUE!

I understand the politics of settling down illegal immigration. But from a missional point of view, where I'm trying to make maximum impact with the gospel of Jesus Christ, I welcome them into my community. As far as the gospel goes and my personal love for them, the more the merrier.

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I understand the politics of settling down illegal immigration. But from a missional point of view, where I'm trying to make maximum impact with the gospel of Jesus Christ, I welcome them into my community. As far as the gospel goes and my personal love for them, the more the merrier.

I feel the same way...especially after the amount of time I've spent in Mexico. The law breaking by crossing our borders is what it is...unlawful...but the stereotyping the people i feel is wrong...not a fan of the AZ law since police already have powers to investigate further on anyone breaking a law...
Don't know why AZ would have to pass a law on something already lawful???

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sam

PITA or PETA?

I had a PETA Tee shirt that spelled it out
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

My teenage grandson appropriated it and wears it

speaking of PETA

California vs. Texas
Governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature trail. A
coyote jumps out and attacks dog.

California :

#1. Governor starts to intervene, reflects upon the movie "Bambi"
and then realizes he should stop; the coyote is only doing what is
natural.

#2. He calls animal control. Animal control captures coyote and
spends $200 testing it for diseases and $500 upon relocating it.

#3. He calls veterinarian. Vet collects dead dog and spends $200
testing it for diseases.

#4. Governor goes to hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for
diseases from the coyote and on getting bite wound bandaged.

#5. Running trail gets shut down for 6 months while wildlife
services conduct a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is clear
of dangerous animals.

#6. Governor spends $50,000 of state funds implementing a "coyote
awareness" program for residents of the area.

#7. State legislature spends $2 million investigating how to better
handle rabies and how to possibly eradicate the disease.

#8. Governor's security agent is fired for not stopping the attack
and for letting the Governor intervene.

#9. Cost: $75,000 to train new security agent.

#10. PETA protests the coyote relocation and files suit against the
state

Texas :

#1. Governor shoots coyote and keeps jogging. Governor has spent
$0.50 on a .45 ACP hollow point cartridge. Buzzards eat dead
coyote.


Any wonder why California is broke????

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Seems like to me, if you tried to get anyone deported, it would be the saved folks. First, they're being dishonest with their status and supposedly not pleasing God. Second, those that are unsaved are just that many more people you'd want to get saved. True?

Not true.

In fact, I'd be tempted to get them all deported ASAP, but I would confront the brother and sister in Christ concerning their offense as the Bible prescribes.

Sooner or later, and probably sooner, if they resisted, I'd get them deported too.


Seriously, I have no desire to coddle or encourage illegal immigrants.



As far as the lost aliens, God can't save them back in their homeland?

I guess that scripture about all things being done in decency and order doesn't apply to the illegal immigration discussion.


DEPORT THEM ALL AND LET GOD SAVE THEM BY SOME OTHER MEANS THAN BREAKING THE LAW!


Besides, we're not their salvation!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I can only speak for the California situation but your description, here, does NOT apply to our illegal immigration situation. At all.

You really need to walk through some of the farmworker camps, watch them stand on the street corner each day scrambling to get on the work trust for a day of blistering hot, back-breaking work. Most of these people send most of the money they earn back to Mexico to help their families there.

Are there criminals that come over? Of course. There are criminals everywhere. But literally, the California economy, which would be the 8th largest economy in the world were it a nation, would crumble overnight if we lost the illegal immigration work. These people are, by far, the hardest working people I've ever seen.

NOW,
The statistics are showing a large percentage of Illegals incarcerated in California, as well as Arizona, which is on the taxpayers back to pay for.

And California is already crumbling. And I don't see how businesses can say they profit from the cheap labor when we are going broke doling out the freebies, i.e. education, welfare, WIC and medical. Some file income tax and claim a child that is back home in Mexico. I know someone that is doing that right now. They don't pay back into the system. It doesn't make one bit of sense. They also take a good deal of their earned money back to Mexico. That figure is in the billions of dollars per year.

It looks like they cost us a great deal more than doing us any good.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

NOW,
The statistics are showing a large percentage of Illegals incarcerated in California, as well as Arizona, which is on the taxpayers back to pay for.

And California is already crumbling. And I don't see how businesses can say they profit from the cheap labor when we are going broke doling out the freebies, i.e. education, welfare, WIC and medical. Some file income tax and claim a child that is back home in Mexico. I know someone that is doing that right now. They don't pay back into the system. It doesn't make one bit of sense. They also take a good deal of their earned money back to Mexico. That figure is in the billions of dollars per year.

It looks like they cost us a great deal more than doing us any good.

If the California agriculture industry had to completely legitimize their operations and pay workman's comp (just that would be HUGE), liability insurance, and then raise them all up to minimum wage, the inflation hit we would take from the increase in produce, veggie, milk, cheese, beef, eggs, chicken, etc., prices would be devastating to both the local economy and the national economy. One of the dirty secrets of our economy is that a major part of our industry is being farmed out to cheap-labor countries and the result is, we can sell a pair of sneakers, earrings, or shoes much more cheaply. However, we can't farm out our farming. The only solution? Bring the cheap labor here, and the only way that can happen is illegally.

We put up guards, erect a fence along I-8, arrest a few and deport them, and give the appearance that we're doing something about it, enough to satisfy a certain voter block, but the reality is, we need them.

Of course, you're never going to hear this from Sacramento (government) but the farming industry will tell you there's no way they could ever take this hit. I believe what Arizona is doing is political posturing and they will, in reality, do nothing. They'll look good to their political base by passing a law, but won't really change.

Are there bad apples in the illegal bunch? Sure. There are bad apples in my neighborhood, church, family, schools, the UPC, presidential cabinet, the NFL, and everywhere else. I don't think it's fair to point to the illegals in prison and say, "See there? They're bad."

And again, I would take exception to your suggestion that they are a lazy bunch not willing to work. These people work their tails off and we benefit from it by being able to purchase an avocado for less than $5, and an enchilada at a local restaurant for less than $12.

[Joey Boneski]

I started a thread to get some oponions of the Mexican immigration process and the relation to Christianity...actually getting a better discussion here...lol!

This country used slave labor at the time of it's conception and everyone thought it was fine and dandy...then civil war broke out and its debatable whether slavery and freedom from it were actually the main issue....most will agree today that slavery is wrong and no one nor any race should be in that position...then there are those that defend the act of slavery and the necessity of the crops being picked in those days saying that at least they were taken from a hostile land and given advantages that weren't available where they came from...and their descendants profited from their enslavement....and the masters treated them well giving them medical care and feeding their families. Then others having used them until they couldn't anymore screamed "send them home"...If they don't like the way we treat them here let them go home...Fast forward and I'm so glad that we've come a long way as a country....