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View Poll Results: Do you believe and/or teach that standards are heaven or hell issues?
Absolutely. I believe and teach that standards are heaven or hell issues. 11 19.30%
I believe that standards should be followed, but they do not necessarily affect salvation. 10 17.54%
I do not believe standards are salvational, but I teach them in compliance with the organization. 3 5.26%
I do not believe or teach that standards are salvational. 21 36.84%
I teach that standards are matters of consecration, but are not salvational. 11 19.30%
I don't know. 1 1.75%
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Old 04-24-2007, 11:20 AM
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1 Corinthians 13:2 (New King James Version)

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
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Old 04-24-2007, 10:31 PM
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Many a pastor will have to answer the why question on many of these issues.

Seing so many have been pushed out by these short sighted views.
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Old 04-24-2007, 11:06 PM
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jshort, you had better find an altar, whoever you are. You come on here and lambast me, and accuse me of things, but then you show an attitude of narcissistic superiority. You show such an arrogant elitist attitude. But then again, I have come to expect this attitude from someone who rejects the ways of holiness before the Lord.

Standards are salvational, because holiness sis salvational. But, I know that sometimes holiness people can differ on a few issues, but there are universal standards that are agreed upon. It is the mindset of a backslidden Charismatic liberal who has rejected the ways of God and His Word that will make them come to hate standards of holiness, and allow others to go the ways of Baal and have profane fire on the altar.

Now, let me make this so clear that even a backslidden, hard-hearted liberal sinner can understand it. It is still Holiness in all areas of conversation, or Hell where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. You have a choice, and only two choices. You cannot claim holiness and look like the world, act like the world, and be like the world. You must have total holiness, which does include attitude but dress and what we partake of as well. Without this, we have NOT come out from among the world and are NOT separated from it.
There is more beano in this post than in Al Gore's Convenient Truth. Come to think of it. There are a lot of similarities.

Is there a warning for the comment backslidden charismatic liberal who has rejected the ways of God.

If I were to see you in Wal-mart, your dress code wouldn't tell me if you're a christian or not. If I were to see you in the store with the outfit you had on in your avitar I would guess is that you would be one of those gaming guys who lives in their mother's basement in front of the computer playing Final Fantasy. That could explain your posts.

Universal standards are an oxymoron. The fact not everyone agrees with them proves standards are not universal. To make unbiblical claims about standards and salvation is a gross misnterpretation of scripture.

If you said there are universal principles, I would agree with you. Standards are man's often feeble attempt to set universal parameters for principle. As evident throughout history, even some of the most covservative standards have been discarded by the extreme of pro standards.
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Old 04-25-2007, 07:14 AM
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jshort, you had better find an altar, whoever you are. You come on here and lambast me, and accuse me of things, but then you show an attitude of narcissistic superiority. You show such an arrogant elitist attitude. But then again, I have come to expect this attitude from someone who rejects the ways of holiness before the Lord.

Standards are salvational, because holiness sis salvational. But, I know that sometimes holiness people can differ on a few issues, but there are universal standards that are agreed upon. It is the mindset of a backslidden Charismatic liberal who has rejected the ways of God and His Word that will make them come to hate standards of holiness, and allow others to go the ways of Baal and have profane fire on the altar.

Now, let me make this so clear that even a backslidden, hard-hearted liberal sinner can understand it. It is still Holiness in all areas of conversation, or Hell where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. You have a choice, and only two choices. You cannot claim holiness and look like the world, act like the world, and be like the world. You must have total holiness, which does include attitude but dress and what we partake of as well. Without this, we have NOT come out from among the world and are NOT separated from it.
So, let's see. We're supposed to use this post as an example of your holiness? Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooook! Gotcha!
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Old 04-25-2007, 07:33 AM
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Those who hate holiness shall never see the Kingdom. Deal with it. Liberals will always find a way to blind themselves to the truth about their own life. They love to take potshots and attack men whose hearts are in love with the Lord and are willingly wanting to leave the customs and ways of this world to draw closer to the Lord.

You think that because I love holiness and am willing to call your sin what it is I am hateful. You think that I am so cold and snideful because I am willing to label liberals as backslidden and lost. You could not be further from the truth. But, then again, when it comes to the truth, many liberals reject the truth in favor of loving the world, being like the world, and are willing to do anything to keep Holy Ghost conviction from their lives.

Let it be told, that this man is willing and able to live the life because I love the Lord just that much. I hold in my heart this truth, and nothing shall ever sway me from it, period. The Spirit of liberalism is a lie and will ........ souls to Hell, plain and simple. So, come out and be ye separate.
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Old 04-25-2007, 07:48 AM
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Those who hate holiness shall never see the Kingdom. Deal with it. Liberals will always find a way to blind themselves to the truth about their own life. They love to take potshots and attack men whose hearts are in love with the Lord and are willingly wanting to leave the customs and ways of this world to draw closer to the Lord.

You think that because I love holiness and am willing to call your sin what it is I am hateful. You think that I am so cold and snidely because I am willing to label liberals as backslid den and lost. You could not be further from the truth. But, then again, when it comes to the truth, many liberals reject the truth in favor of loving the world, being like the world, and are willing to do anything to keep Holy Ghost conviction from their lives.

Let it be told, that this man is willing and able to live the life because I love the Lord just that much. I hold in my heart this truth, and nothing shall ever sway me from it, period. The Spirit of liberalism is a lie and will ........ souls to Hell, plain and simple. So, come out and be ye separate.

Hold up!....Wait a minute!!!!

Put a little love in it!!!!


Come on Price, lets go to the Alter together and join hand in and hand.

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Old 04-25-2007, 08:56 AM
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Old 04-25-2007, 02:49 PM
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Those who hate holiness shall never see the Kingdom. Deal with it. Liberals will always find a way to blind themselves to the truth about their own life. They love to take potshots and attack men whose hearts are in love with the Lord and are willingly wanting to leave the customs and ways of this world to draw closer to the Lord.

You think that because I love holiness and am willing to call your sin what it is I am hateful. You think that I am so cold and snideful because I am willing to label liberals as backslidden and lost. You could not be further from the truth. But, then again, when it comes to the truth, many liberals reject the truth in favor of loving the world, being like the world, and are willing to do anything to keep Holy Ghost conviction from their lives.

Let it be told, that this man is willing and able to live the life because I love the Lord just that much. I hold in my heart this truth, and nothing shall ever sway me from it, period. The Spirit of liberalism is a lie and will ........ souls to Hell, plain and simple. So, come out and be ye separate.
I've read this post several times and all I can do is shake my head and sigh.

Bro. Price, this kind of post may earn you pats on the back from some of the most hardcore ultra-cons, but it will accomplish little in convincing any of us "liberals" of the error of our ways.

Do you understand that based solely on your post that most would believe that holiness = hatred? That being a holy person means being cruel and judgemental and harsh and rude?

I am in no way denying your right to your own personal convictions. If you believe that taking a hard stance on standards brings you closer to God, well then that is between you and Him.

But I ask you the following questions honestly and sincerely:

1. When reading what you wrote above, do you think that you are acting in love as described in 1 cor. 13?

2. Would you say that you are "speaking the truth in love" as per Eph 4:15? (see again 1 cor. 13)

3. Are you guilty of judging another man's servant as per Rom 14:4?

4. Are you completely without sin that you are able to cast the first stone as per John 8:7?

5. Are you following the admonishment to judge not lest ye be judged as per Matt 7:1? Do you understand this? With the same measure that you judge others you yourself with be judged. Based on your post above, you will be judged with no mercy and no love. You will not be forgiven the smallest mistake, because you do not forgive it in others.

The truth is Bro. Price, that if you really believe that we are so horribly wrong and deceived and on our way to hell, then you should be on your knees crying for us. Not looking on us in your own smug self-righteouesness, and saying to yourself "Lord, I thank you that I am not like other men, television watchers, standards' breakers, and charismatics, or even like Coop over there" (Luke 18:11 paraphrased)

You pride yourself on keeping all the rules, yet you are forgetting the second greatest commandment, to love your neighbor as yourself. 1 John is filled with scriptures that talk of how Jesus commanded us to love one another, and that we show that we love Him by loving one another. It even says:

1 John 3:14-15

14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.

Bro. Price, I am not even for a second suggesting that you lesson your personal convictions if they are truly given to you of God. But please remember that if you have not love, you have nothing.
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Old 04-25-2007, 03:14 PM
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Michlow, I would agree with your post to him except that two weeks from now, those words won't mean anything because he'll have seen his error and will have changed doctrines yet again.

Sorry you wasted your breath....err....finger energy.
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Old 04-25-2007, 03:16 PM
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It wasn't a waste, it was a good reminder for me as well. And as one guilty of changing her mind a time or two, I can't exactly cast stones

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Michlow, I would agree with your post to him except that two weeks from now, those words won't mean anything because he'll have seen his error and will have changed doctrines yet again.

Sorry you wasted your breath....err....finger energy.
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