The Reason Some Apostolics Are Concerned: The Results of Erased Lines - Page 35

Praxeas · #**341** 11-01-2007, 06:06 PM

BTW You can watch "Master Prophet Jordan" on the internet too. He has, as promoters, Al Sharpton and the guy that wrote Chicken Soup for the Soul as well as a TV judge whose name escapes me....

He also has a former Rap artist from Run DMC who is now a "Reverend"...Reverend Run I think he goes by.

The whole thing is sad for two reasons...people fall for this marketing stuff as religion and those outside see this fakery as reflective on Pentecostalism in general and Christianity as a whole.....

BTW read through this evaluation of the websites of some of the fastest growing churches in America....I find what is said very interesting...though some of it is meant to be sarcastic....

http://www.northminsterlascruces.org/outreach100.htm

Sacerdotal · #**342** 11-01-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW You can watch "Master Prophet Jordan" on the internet too. He has, as promoters, Al Sharpton and the guy that wrote Chicken Soup for the Soul as well as a TV judge whose name escapes me....

He also has a former Rap artist from Run DMC who is now a "Reverend"...Reverend Run I think he goes by.

The whole thing is sad for two reasons...people fall for this marketing stuff as religion and those outside see this fakery as reflective on Pentecostalism in general and Christianity as a whole.....

BTW read through this evaluation of the websites of some of the fastest growing churches in America....I find what is said very interesting...though some of it is meant to be sarcastic....

http://www.northminsterlascruces.org/outreach100.htm

Master Profit Jordan is nothing more than another fraud equivelent to the prayer line folks who line them up from the front starting at $5,000.00, $2,500.00, $1,000.00, $500.00 and $100.00.

It's all about the money.

Anybody that can't see through ridiculous people like Master Profit have not one ounce of discernment. I find myself amazed at those who hate truth but pay for the absurd.

Praxeas · #**343** 11-01-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

You know - I so appreciate you giving me a good laugh for the day!

I will not be boxed in by your midget mentality. I really don't care what you call me - I am doing the work of the Kingdom while you sit around and criticize.

As far as I can see - you and your crew are so far removed from the APOSTOLIC First Century Church as can be except for - you use the name of Jesus in water baptism.

I was not being critical - I was simply stating facts. Who are YOU to define what and who is APOSTOLIC? As far as Bishop Johnson/Shelton and that crew - you are not APOSTOLIC. As far as the largest ONENESS movement in the world - True Church of Jesus - YOU are not Apostolic and YOU are not saved!

Some teach that YOU are not Apostolic
if your don't make your women wear head coverings.
If you don't baptize in running water.
If you don't have church on Saturday.
If you wear colored shirts or colored underwear
If you don't submit to them.
1,000,000,000 other things!
Again - WHO ARE YOU to say who is Apostolic and who is not?

Whether or not AB is an "apostolic" I'm not going to judge, however AB you comment that Boom or whoever sits around and criticizes..implying to do so is not to be doing the work of the kingdom of God, but you might not have this perception but from my POV you do a LOT of criticizing too.

In fact while you jump on T.D. Jakes band wagon to defend him from criticism, you have your own criticisms of others such as juanita bynum.

I just want to point out there is a lot of criticisms going around and defending...it's not just one side doing it. We all have opinions and are entitled to them. We are not all however entitled to express all our opinions in any way that we choose on this forum.

I support your right to question anyone elses saying you are not Apostolic, but let's be honest here....you are also critical of others. And I have stood in agreement of your criticisms of others, such as Cohen Reckart...

PastorDaniel · #**344** 11-01-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bdlooney

How can anyone care less how they are baptized? It does matter!! There is only One Baptism!

I see people on here using Ephesians 4:5 ...One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism...to refer to Jesus Name baptism all the time.

Explain this in the context of the following passage that relates to Spirit baptism....

Luke 3:16 (King James Version)
16John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

How is it that One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism specifically relates to Water Baptism and not Spirit Baptism?

Just curious?

BoredOutOfMyMind · #**345** 11-01-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorDaniel

I see people on here using Ephesians 4:5 ...One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism...to refer to Jesus Name baptism all the time.

Explain this in the context of the following passage that relates to Spirit baptism....

Luke 3:16 (King James Version)
16John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

How is it that One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism specifically relates to Water Baptism and not Spirit Baptism?

Just curious?

What translation of ONE do you need?
How do you propose we baptize "Pastor" Daniel?

Do you baptize in Titles?

BoredOutOfMyMind · #**346** 11-01-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Can we start calling you "The Apostolic Profit"?

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

You might as well - you have called me everything else!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH - I thought I did not QUALIFY as APOSTOLIC in your book!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was responding to this posting- which was funny to me.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I might just get myself a screen name and pay the 50 bucks if it means a Word from the profit.

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut since you asked.

I think you have stated enough here in this thread how you don't agree with the Biblical stance we hold as precious here.

Thus, you are NOT Apostolic by means of your postings.

I will take the time later tonight to multiquote (and use the quotebacks) to why I feel your posting presents you as such.

Praxeas · #**347** 11-01-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorDaniel

I see people on here using Ephesians 4:5 ...One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism...to refer to Jesus Name baptism all the time.

Explain this in the context of the following passage that relates to Spirit baptism....

Luke 3:16 (King James Version)
16John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

How is it that One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism specifically relates to Water Baptism and not Spirit Baptism?

Just curious?

I will answer. First of all "baptism" the word or related words is NOT most often used in reference to the Spirit. It's used most often of water baptism. When the word is used, it's often used in the full description so as to distinguish it...ie it's worded "baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire"...so when baptism of the Spirit is being spoken of the word baptize and Spirit are used in conjunction...

In the given text, however, it would be redundant to say "one baptism" and then say "one Spirit" as separate articles....why not rather "one Spirit baptism" or "One baptism of the Spirit"? Why say "One Lord, one faith and One baptism"

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

In fact, when Paul mentions body and Spirit in 1Corthians he is speaking specifically of Spirit baptism

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
So why say "one Spirit" and then "One baptism" if referring to the same thing?

Seems redundant.

One commentary says under the law there were many baptisms....

and also we see from Acts there was Johns baptism, but Paul re-baptized those men according to Christian baptism...if Johns baptism was acceptable that would make for more than one baptism.

Seems clear to me he is referring to water baptism and the various modes floating around. John's, the law, the Essenes....or Christian baptism for us...just one

PastorDaniel · #**348** 11-01-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

What translation of ONE do you need?
How do you propose we baptize "Pastor" Daniel?

Do you baptize in Titles?

OH MY GOODNESS! I don't know about being bored....but you must be "out of your mind!!!"

This is my first post on this topic and ALL I did was ask an honest opinion about the scriptures.

I most definitly believe and baptize in the name of Jesus Christ. But that is not the issue here.

What I am asking is HOW, and WHY does anyone believe that One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism relates to water baptism.

There is more than one baptism....there is HOLY GHOST baptism!!! It's part of Acts 2:38 as well....just in case you didn't notice....(must of been to bored)

What I want to here is what connects Eph 4:5 to water baptism only.

I don't want to here your attacks because you can't think of any better to say or pull out your Bible and defend your ideas!

ThePastorsCoach · #**349** 11-01-2007, 06:47 PM

He is just trying to be the authority on here - a know it all.
HE decides who is APOSTOLIC and who is not. What a joke!

He won't answer your question PastorDaniel but does his best to DISRESPECT you by posting "Pastor" Daniel. SAD!

PastorDaniel - I am looking forward to being with you SUNDAY NIGHT! We gonna have a time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are a great man and Lord have mercy - all you did was ask a question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PastorDaniel · #**350** 11-01-2007, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I will answer. First of all "baptism" the word or related words is NOT most often used in reference to the Spirit. It's used most often of water baptism. When the word is used, it's often used in the full description so as to distinguish it...ie it's worded "baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire"...so when baptism of the Spirit is being spoken of the word baptize and Spirit are used in conjunction...

In the given text, however, it would be redundant to say "one baptism" and then say "one Spirit" as separate articles....why not rather "one Spirit baptism" or "One baptism of the Spirit"? Why say "One Lord, one faith and One baptism"

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

In fact, when Paul mentions body and Spirit in 1Corthians he is speaking specifically of Spirit baptism

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
So why say "one Spirit" and then "One baptism" if referring to the same thing?

Seems redundant.

One commentary says under the law there were many baptisms....

and also we see from Acts there was Johns baptism, but Paul re-baptized those men according to Christian baptism...if Johns baptism was acceptable that would make for more than one baptism.

Seems clear to me he is referring to water baptism and the various modes floating around. John's, the law, the Essenes....or Christian baptism for us...just one

Thank You for an educated post. Sounds good to me. I was just wanted to hear how folks tied it together.