Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I think it's disgusting. But it was a facet of Bedouin culture. Much of the Quran is based on Bedouin culture.

to that i would agree, but then, we are not ancient Bedouin; no doubt they would find many of our customs at least as disgusting.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I think it's disgusting. But it was a facet of Bedouin culture. Much of the Quran is based on Bedouin culture.

Yet the Quran banned several types of marriages and marriage practices that reflected Bedouin culture at the time. Marriage by force, marriage by inheritance (sons at one time inherited their mothers as wives eww), other types of incestuous marriages, and marriages that were forced on women who conceived children from "several possible fathers" (now we have TV shows about that LOL).

Under the Quran the entire view of marriage changed and was replaced with a set of specific rules.

Know this: These changes were NOT popular with the locals.

[Abiding Now]

Is it ok for a muslim to lie when he/she takes an oath to become a US citizen?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Is it ok for a muslim to lie when he/she takes an oath to become a US citizen?

Is it okay for Christian missionaries to lie to foreign governments about their reasons for visiting?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Is it ok for a muslim to lie when he/she takes an oath to become a US citizen?

Is it OK for a renowned Pentecostal preacher to lie about a Muslim to whip up the crowd for an alter call? Based on the Bible: Sin or not a sin?

Can a bold-faced, easily exposed lie from a church pulpit originate from a man truly ordained of God?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Yet the Quran banned several types of marriages and marriage practices that reflected Bedouin culture at the time. Marriage by force, marriage by inheritance (sons at one time inherited their mothers as wives eww), other types of incestuous marriages, and marriages that were forced on women who conceived children from "several possible fathers" (now we have TV shows about that LOL).

Under the Quran the entire view of marriage changed and was replaced with a set of specific rules.

Know this: These changes were NOT popular with the locals.

Where is forced marriages banned? Didn't Muhammad and others raid cities, killing all the men and taking female slaves as wives?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Is it ok for a muslim to lie when he/she takes an oath to become a US citizen?

Let's see

Originally Posted by jfrog

Is it okay for Christian missionaries to lie to foreign governments about their reasons for visiting?

Nyes

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Is it OK for a renowned Pentecostal preacher to lie about a Muslim to whip up the crowd for an alter call? Based on the Bible: Sin or not a sin?

Can a bold-faced, easily exposed lie from a church pulpit originate from a man truly ordained of God?

No, but can you answer the original question now?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Where is forced marriages banned? Didn't Muhammad and others raid cities, killing all the men and taking female slaves as wives?

I think you are speaking of the ancient Jews (killing all the men and keeping all the women). That's in your bible. Execution of prisoners of war was not an Islamic practice and the current practice of doing so has no justification under any Islamic teaching. The only records of prisoner execution were for crimes previously committed and execution of those who were deemed to be an immediate threat if released. There is no historical record of wholesale execution of captured prisoners.

Men, women, and children may all be taken as prisoners of war under traditional interpretations of Islamic law. Generally, a prisoner of war could be, at the discretion of the military leader, freed, ransomed, exchanged for Muslim prisoners, or kept in bondage. In earlier times, the ransom sometimes took an educational dimension, where a literate prisoner of war could secure his or her freedom by teaching ten Muslims to read and write. Some Muslim scholars hold that a prisoner may not be ransomed for gold or silver, but may be exchanged for Muslim prisoners.

The rules on slavery in Islam have nothing to do with the rules of marriage.

Answer to the original question is no, it is not OK for a Muslim to lie when taking the oath of US citizenship.

"...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Let's see


Nyes

No, but can you answer the original question now?

Your turn. No, not a sin nor no, cannot originate from God even though it is through a highly respected and supported UPC minister?

[Abiding Now]

Hmmmm... That's the best answer you have for a muslim lying while taking the oath to become an American citizen is the UPC has liars? My Mom never would accept "but Mom everyone else is doing it". Here's the oath which part would you lie about?

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."