Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The crux of the matter really rests upon the first commandment

"You shall love the LORD . . . with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. This is the first and great commandment."

If the Ten Commandments are done away with, then the First commadment must got first.

We are not longer required to love the Lord God, and we can set up other idols before us.

God can love us if he wants to, but we no longer are under an obligation to love God.

And since the fFirst commanment formed the foundation of all the other commandments, the other commandments no longer have a reason to exist.

Yes brethen the Ten commandments are not longer binding, because they are law.
We now are free from the law.

We can are now free to use the name of the Lord God in vain.
We can now dishonor our father and mother
We not longer have to keep the Sabbath
we can now commit adultery
we can now murder
we are now free to steal
we need not have restraining and covet as much as we want.

we are free from the law my brethren, now you go ahead and indulge in anything you want.

since the law is passed away, we do not need to worry about anything, no more pesky law to bother us.
Come brethen be free and break all the ten Commandments since they are not longer binding.

1 John 3
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


The Apostle John tells us the same thing as Paul said also. God's commandment in this NT age is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and love the brethren.

How can one possibly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ without loving God? it's not even possible. So to say that the first commandment of the law is broken because we say the law is done away with is mute.

Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is the ULTIMATE expression of loving God.

1 John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If you have Jesus, you have God. Loving God cannot come any better than that!!!

[TGBTG]

Brethren, reverting back to the Law is what Paul fought tooth and nail.

Consider this:
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Let's stop trying to observe days that are a shadow of the real thing. Moreover, if we have the real thing. why revert back to the shadow?

Continuing:

Gal 4
9 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

The Law given on Mount Sinai (Exodus 20) LEADS to BONDAGE!!! It's right there brethren!

[TGBTG]

Gal 4
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

As believers, we DO NOT observe days.

Sure, the RCC might have changed the "Sabbath" from Saturday to Sunday. However, that has no bearings on us as believers. Saturday is no more special to a believer than Sunday or Monday.

They are ALL days of the week...lol

Heb 4:3
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

The reason for the Sabbath is to REST and CEASE from our works. If in Christ, we have ENTERED into that REST of God.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Yes, we're free from the law. (Romans and Galatians). Paul explains these things in there.

Rom 6
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

We are delivered from the Law. It's right there. And Paul was quoting from the 10 commandments, so even if we call the 10 commands the Law of God, Paul was still saying we're delivered from it.

Being free from the law does not mean we indulge in anything. No sir!. BUT We are now led by the Spirit. So a Christian cannot live anyhow just because we're delivered from the Letter of the law. We are led by the Spirit and so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Gal 5
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

If a Christian obeys the leading of the Spirit, they will not fulfill the desires of the flesh. So it's not the 10 commands per se that we're under, but to be led of the Spirit. The things listed in the 10 commandments are listed as lusts of the flesh. So, if one obeys the leading of the Spirit, one does not need the literal 10 commandments.

In fact, Paul says to serve in the newness of the spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. You can hold on to the 10 commands from Exodus and on to the Spirit of grace. It's either one or the other brethren!

Furthermore, DRUNKENNESS is not a violation of the 10 commandments. So if you hold on to the 10 commands, it would be okay to get drunk.
But by being led of the Spirit, we know that drunkenness is a lust of the flesh.

In actuality, the demands of grace SURPASSES that of the Law.
Walk in the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in you. (Rom 8:4)

Grace SURPASSES the law. Meaning it goes BEYOND the law. It fulfills the demands of the law, and then some. Your antinomian position also denies that the sabbath will be observed in the eternal state:

Isaiah 66:22-23
"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the Lord, so shall your offspring and your name remain. From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the Lord.

[Aquila]

According to the position advocated here, one could make a "law" out of the golden rule. Obeying the command to be baptized is a "law". Paul was talking about seeking to be justified and saved by obeying the law. Paul talked about the law revealing SIN. I don't think Paul would agree with trashing it.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

According to the position advocated here, one could make a "law" out of the golden rule. Obeying the command to be baptized is a "law". Paul was talking about seeking to be justified and saved by obeying the law. Paul talked about the law revealing SIN. I don't think Paul would agree with trashing it.

I wish you could get what we are saying.

LAWS in the context of Paul's words against rule-keeping are referring to actions we do that in and of themselves merit blessing from God or in and of themselves cause us to climb the ladder to heaven, when in reality NOTHING BUT FAITH merits blessing. In essence, self cannot improve self. Baptism is nothing about self improving self. It is removal of self, which is actually the opposite of self removing self.

You need to go more indepth with Paul's issues of what walking after the Spirit is all about. It is opposite to self improving self. It is reliance on God for His Spirit to improve self.

Resting a certain day is simply common sense. What day? It does not matter. But under religious covenant, the day DID matter.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Grace SURPASSES the law. Meaning it goes BEYOND the law. It fulfills the demands of the law, and then some. Your antinomian position also denies that the sabbath will be observed in the eternal state:

Isaiah 66:22-23
"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the Lord, so shall your offspring and your name remain. From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the Lord.

Grace indeed surpasses law in more than going beyond it as you describe. Grace also goes beyond it in being distinctly different in manner of involvement. SELF improves SELF with Law. Grace is divine empowerment to raise up self. It is a matter of human effort versus divine empowerment.

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The crux of the matter really rests upon the first commandment

"You shall love the LORD . . . with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. This is the first and great commandment."

If the Ten Commandments are done away with, then the First commadment must got first.

There it is again, It is not a matter of what is done away with as per particular commandments. It is a matter of what ENTIRE SYSTEM is done away with. Law is an overall SYSTEM of self improving self. There is no divine empowerment in Law TO CAUSE US to walk in his statutes as David cried for there to be. David cried for grace in the sense of God's Spirit moving on us to QUICKEN us to serve God.

Loving God with ALL OUR MIGHT is flesh making flesh improve itself. In Zech 4, the prophecy was NOT BY MIGHT, NOR BY POWER, BUT BY MY SPIRIT, saith the Lord. And then we read a mountain would have shouts of GRACE said unto it! That is what grace is. NOT BY MIGHT, whereas Law was WITH YOUR WHOLE MIGHT.

The conclusion, though, is that we have the very things in our hearts that outward commandments tried to instill in people. 1 Tim 1:4 shows that outward oriented commandments of Law were intended to instill INWARD states of heart. But Rom. 8:3 said Law could not do that. God did what Law could not do. GOD instills states of heart into us apart from outward-oriented rules for physical obedience.

Until people see this issue, they will never see the true distinction between Law and grace.

And for that reason Law is not destroyed not tossed as trash. Law is FULFILLED by a completely other means aside from Law's inherent self-improving-self method. If man had no sin, man could improve self by self. But sin makes that impossible. Therefore, all the outward oriented day keeping, which Paul downright said was gone, is no longer in effect. Again, those things were implemented in a system of self improving self to achieve inward states of heart that can only actually be instilled by God's divine empowerment.


IOW, we wind up have the kind of heart law tried, but failed, to accomplish in us. We love God with ALL HIS MIGHT now. Not our might.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Actions don't determine orthodoxy. However actions in Scripture can establish orthopraxy.

Unless the intention of those actions is misunderstood. Many in the early church did not yet have Paul's revelation. Paul later downright contradicted those actions in his teachings.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

But for nearly 200 years this was customary among both Jew and Gentile believers. Sunday wasn't on the map. Roman Christians incorporated Sunday on account of their pagan customs.

The early church met on the first day of the week. It's in Acts.

I'll address this Monday. Short on time.

The Law hasn't passed away.

Yes it has.

It was UNTIL JOHN. That means it is not SINCE JOHN. SINCE JOHN, the Kingdom of God is preached, not Law. That is from the very context you cited to show Law exists today. Paul said LAW is done away with in 2 Cor 3, like the glory on Moses' face faded away.

This isn't in Scripture. You know it. I know it. There isn't one instant of Sunday observance or this rationale in the NT.

Yes there is.


Acts 20:7 KJV And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread...