Tithing, Mandate for the New Testament Church?

[HRea]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Does anyone hear the old "you are cursed with a curse" if you don't tithe your money? Or does it seem to be more of a voluntary thing that is being taught now?

For the record, are you against tithing? I'm for tithing.

I visited one of links on your post, and their write up concerning their opposition to tithing was very poorly done and not very scholarly. Let's have a discussion based on the scripture and your opinion instead of repeating someone else's opinion.

Romans 14:5b Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Here's an interesting find: did you know that none of the Apostles were baptized although every one of them taught baptism? I was amazed myself. I dug around and could not find any scripture recording their baptism. Therefore, we must come to the conclusion that none of the Apostles were baptized.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by HRea

For the record, are you against tithing? I'm for tithing.

I visited one of links on your post, and their write up concerning their opposition to tithing was very poorly done and not very scholarly. Let's have a discussion based on the scripture and your opinion instead of repeating someone else's opinion.

Romans 14:5b Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Here's an interesting find: did you know that none of the Apostles were baptized although every one of them taught baptism? I was amazed myself. I dug around and could not find any scripture recording their baptism. Therefore, we must come to the conclusion that none of the Apostles were baptized.

Well LOL, where did I repeat someones elses opinion? Which one is poorly done? Where or what are you referring to as being poorly done? One of the authors holds a Doctorate degree. doesn't mean they cannot be in error, but please post what is in error so I can agree or disagree.

I am not against tithing anything other than how it is taught.

[HRea]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Well LOL, where did I repeat someones elses opinion?

Actually, I don't know your opinion or the scriptures that you base your opinion on.

Originally Posted by Rudy

Which one is poorly done? Where or what are you referring to as being poorly done? One of the authors holds a Doctorate degree. doesn't mean they cannot be in error, but please post what is in error so I can agree or disagree.

If you click the "NoMoreTithing" link that you posted, scroll down to the Dr. Kelly's article "Should the Church Teach Tithing" and click on it, you will find a very disjointed take on historical mandates for giving that is made up of many generalities and no supporting sources. If, however, you were to click the link directly to the right of Dr. Kelly's article entitled "The Origin of Tithing", you will find an article that directly contradicts Dr. Kelly's; in particular, Abraham and why he tithed.

Originally Posted by Rudy

I am not against tithing anything other than how it is taught.

In your opinion, how should tithing be taught?

[Rudy]

Voluntary.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Does anyone hear the old "you are cursed with a curse" if you don't tithe your money? Or does it seem to be more of a voluntary thing that is being taught now?

I definitely hear it, though since I left the oneness movement proper, I've heard it less, and the people I hear it from are generally within that movement, or charismatic. But I tend to normally blow off the charismatics because they are so far off doctrinally, I don't even know how they can straight faced claim to be Christian. However, when they made a statement like Creflo Dollar "we ought to take all the non tithers out back and shoot them with uzis" type statement, that should be addressed. Even if later on he claims it wasn't serious (well duh, shurly they're not shooting people out back on a regular basis) it should have never been said, and had no value, except to expose the level of covetousness and greed in these mens hearts.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by HRea

For the record, are you against tithing? I'm for tithing.

I visited one of links on your post, and their write up concerning their opposition to tithing was very poorly done and not very scholarly. Let's have a discussion based on the scripture and your opinion instead of repeating someone else's opinion.

HRea, have you ever seen this thread, and would you be willing to step up to the plate?

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...88&postcount=1

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by HRea

For the record, are you against tithing? I'm for tithing.

I visited one of links on your post, and their write up concerning their opposition to tithing was very poorly done and not very scholarly. Let's have a discussion based on the scripture and your opinion instead of repeating someone else's opinion.

Romans 14:5b Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Here's an interesting find: did you know that none of the Apostles were baptized although every one of them taught baptism? I was amazed myself. I dug around and could not find any scripture recording their baptism. Therefore, we must come to the conclusion that none of the Apostles were baptized.

Seems like quite a logical fallacy since many of the disciples were no doubt baptized under the ministry of John the Baptist. I don't think anyone would seriously posit (or even could) that they were not baptized.

Now then, baptized AGAIN after the day of Pentecost, that is a tough sell.

[Jason B]

PAY TITHES OR GET SHOT!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3BWAmlXis

"If someone came who didn't pay tithes, an alarm would sound that said "crook, crook, crook." Securtiy would apprehend them and once we got them all together. We'd line them up at the front and have all the ushers pass out uzis. We'd point our uzis right at those non tithing members ('cause we want God to come to church) and on the count of 3 Jesus' we'd shoot 'em all dead. Take them out the side door, bury them, and then go ahead and have church and have the anointing."

"Aren't you glad we're under the blood of Jesus, because if we were not under the blood of Jesus I would CERTAINLY TRY IT."~Creflo Dollar

[UnTraditional]

Creflo Dollar is a false prophet and a crook! He is not worth the time to post his nonsense. Money is his god.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I definitely hear it, though since I left the oneness movement proper, I've heard it less, and the people I hear it from are generally within that movement, or charismatic. But I tend to normally blow off the charismatics because they are so far off doctrinally, I don't even know how they can straight faced claim to be Christian. However, when they made a statement like Creflo Dollar "we ought to take all the non tithers out back and shoot them with uzis" type statement, that should be addressed. Even if later on he claims it wasn't serious (well duh, shurly they're not shooting people out back on a regular basis) it should have never been said, and had no value, except to expose the level of covetousness and greed in these mens hearts.

It seems to me those who teach tithing money from the Moasic Covenant using a curse is anti-christ. If filthy lucre removes a curse then calvary was all for nothing. Really nothing to take lightly.