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View Poll Results: Do you believe and/or teach that standards are heaven or hell issues?
Absolutely. I believe and teach that standards are heaven or hell issues. 11 19.30%
I believe that standards should be followed, but they do not necessarily affect salvation. 10 17.54%
I do not believe standards are salvational, but I teach them in compliance with the organization. 3 5.26%
I do not believe or teach that standards are salvational. 21 36.84%
I teach that standards are matters of consecration, but are not salvational. 11 19.30%
I don't know. 1 1.75%
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:41 PM
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How do you keep the slobber from hitting your keyboard? You take enough time to take potshots, but don't have the time to expound? Do you lack the testosterone to make this an exchange of ideas? I have no problem exchanging views, but your savant-like posting makes it difficult to find common ground for a starting point.
Why would he want to exchange ideas with you, seeing as how you just insulted him this way? He's not obligated to discuss anything with you. LOL
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:42 PM
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jshorts cannot defend against the truth of standards, so he decides to attack. Now, that is truly a liberal and backslidder's tactic defending their sin.
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:45 PM
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OK so I voted the next to last consecration choice. That would have to presuppose "standards" as in common usage on this forum. I have some other standards too... like not blaspheming God, that could carry a penalty of damnation.
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:48 PM
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OK so I voted the next to last consecration choice. That would have to presuppose "standards" as in common usage on this forum. I have some other standards too... like not blaspheming God, that could carry a penalty of damnation.
So, that means you preach them "as unto the Lord", but not "Yer gonna split the pit if you don't."
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jshorts cannot defend against the truth of standards, so he decides to attack. Now, that is truly a liberal and backslidder's tactic defending their sin.
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:51 PM
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Old 04-24-2007, 06:22 AM
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I don't know what cult you belong to this week, but self righteouss diatribes doesn't prove your point. Ybut you need to know standards are not truth. The fact there are so many variations of standards proves the fact there is no way in the land of fire and brimstone they can be salvational.

I'll make this so eay a caveman can understand it. Principles are universal. The definition of principles are variable. God is not a God of confusion. If you want confusion visit a dozen conservative churches. There is no uniformity in "standards' other than they think you ought to have it.

Before you insinuate my status with Jesus I would check those little crossed-eyes in the mirror.

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Old 04-24-2007, 06:48 AM
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jshort, you had better find an altar, whoever you are. You come on here and lambast me, and accuse me of things, but then you show an attitude of narcissistic superiority. You show such an arrogant elitist attitude. But then again, I have come to expect this attitude from someone who rejects the ways of holiness before the Lord.

Standards are salvational, because holiness sis salvational. But, I know that sometimes holiness people can differ on a few issues, but there are universal standards that are agreed upon. It is the mindset of a backslidden Charismatic liberal who has rejected the ways of God and His Word that will make them come to hate standards of holiness, and allow others to go the ways of Baal and have profane fire on the altar.

Now, let me make this so clear that even a backslidden, hard-hearted liberal sinner can understand it. It is still Holiness in all areas of conversation, or Hell where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. You have a choice, and only two choices. You cannot claim holiness and look like the world, act like the world, and be like the world. You must have total holiness, which does include attitude but dress and what we partake of as well. Without this, we have NOT come out from among the world and are NOT separated from it.
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Old 04-24-2007, 08:08 AM
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jshort, you had better find an altar, whoever you are. You come on here and lambast me, and accuse me of things, but then you show an attitude of narcissistic superiority. You show such an arrogant elitist attitude. But then again, I have come to expect this attitude from someone who rejects the ways of holiness before the Lord.

Standards are salvational, because holiness sis salvational. But, I know that sometimes holiness people can differ on a few issues, but there are universal standards that are agreed upon. It is the mindset of a backslidden Charismatic liberal who has rejected the ways of God and His Word that will make them come to hate standards of holiness, and allow others to go the ways of Baal and have profane fire on the altar.

Now, let me make this so clear that even a backslidden, hard-hearted liberal sinner can understand it. It is still Holiness in all areas of conversation, or Hell where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. You have a choice, and only two choices. You cannot claim holiness and look like the world, act like the world, and be like the world. You must have total holiness, which does include attitude but dress and what we partake of as well. Without this, we have NOT come out from among the world and are NOT separated from it.


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Old 04-24-2007, 09:27 AM
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jshort, you had better find an altar, whoever you are. You come on here and lambast me, and accuse me of things, but then you show an attitude of narcissistic superiority. You show such an arrogant elitist attitude. But then again, I have come to expect this attitude from someone who rejects the ways of holiness before the Lord.

Standards are salvational, because holiness sis salvational. But, I know that sometimes holiness people can differ on a few issues, but there are universal standards that are agreed upon. It is the mindset of a backslidden Charismatic liberal who has rejected the ways of God and His Word that will make them come to hate standards of holiness, and allow others to go the ways of Baal and have profane fire on the altar.

Now, let me make this so clear that even a backslidden, hard-hearted liberal sinner can understand it. It is still Holiness in all areas of conversation, or Hell where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. You have a choice, and only two choices. You cannot claim holiness and look like the world, act like the world, and be like the world. You must have total holiness, which does include attitude but dress and what we partake of as well. Without this, we have NOT come out from among the world and are NOT separated from it.
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2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
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