How Important is Truth?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

We repent of our sins. We are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins. We receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues as the seal of God in our life, and on our life. Sometimes one receives the Holy Ghost prior to baptism, but still needs to be baptized. One must have all three.

Dan has a problem with the Bible way of salvation, because it would mean only Apostolics would be saved then. This would mean every trinitarian would be lost. Despite the truth, Dan chooses to become an accuser of the brethren and enemy of the Cross in this.

Lord help him.

Dan is a child of God by virtue of his faith in Christ's atonement for our sins and the new birth despite his other beliefs. I'm sure the Lord will help him.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Chan

THIS IS YOUR STRAW MAN ARGUMENT!!!!!!!!!!! JESUS IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL BUT HIS NAME (which, by the way, is exactly the same as Joshua in the Old Testament) IS NOT SOME SORT OF MAGICAL INCANTATION. Those of you who insist on speaking a name over someone and insist that there is "power" in speaking that name, are engaging in witchcraft.

Oh my, Peter was engaged in witchcraft?

Acts 3:1 - Acts 3:8 (KJV) 1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
2 And a certain man lame from his mother’s womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.
4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.
5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.
6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
8And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.

[RevDWW]

Oh my, Paul was engaged in witchcraft?

Acts 16:18 (KJV) 18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

[RevDWW]

Bump for Chan....what say you?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Then why does Dan keep harping on baptismal regeneration if he knows we don't believe that?

Strawman argument....some folks can only argue by means of logical fallacies

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Bump for Chan....what say you?

Bump for the Rev...already covered by me

Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
AMP Act 15:17 So that the rest of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been invoked,
Called=epikaleomai
ep-ee-kal-eh'-om-ahee
Middle voice from G1909 and G2564; to entitle; by implication to invoke (for aid, worship, testimony, decision, etc.): - appeal (unto), call (on, upon), surname.

1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

Act 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

Jas 2:7 Are they not the ones who blaspheme the honorable name by which you were called?
Called=epikaleomai
ep-ee-kal-eh'-om-ahee
Middle voice from G1909 and G2564; to entitle; by implication to invoke (for aid, worship, testimony, decision, etc.): - appeal (unto), call (on, upon), surname.

NET bible Commentary

Grk "that was invoked over you," referring to their baptism in which they confessed their faith in Christ and were pronounced to be his own. To have the Lord's name "named over them" is OT imagery for the Lord's ownership of his people (cf. 2Ch_7:14; Amo_9:12; Isa_63:19; Jer_14:9; Jer_15:16; Dan_9:19; Act_15:17).

Zodhaites

epikaléō; contracted epikalṓ; fut. epikalésō, from epí (G1909), upon, and kaléō (G2564), to call, to surname. To call upon.

(I) To call upon for aid. In the NT, only in the mid., to call upon for aid in one's own behalf, to invoke, trans.

(A) Particularly of invocation addressed to Christ for aid (Act_7:59; see Sept.: 1Sa_12:17-18; 2Sa_22:7). Generally, to invoke, pray to, worship, spoken of God (Rom_10:12, Rom_10:14; 2Ti_2:22); followed by "the name" (Act_2:21; Act_9:14; Rom_10:13; Sept.: Gen_4:26; Gen_26:25; Deu_33:19; Joe_2:32); of Christ, followed by "the name," implying the Lord Jesus Christ (Act_9:21; Act_22:16; 1Co_1:2).
(B) In adjurations, imprecations, to call upon, invoke, as a witness (2Co_1:23).

(C) In a judicial sense, to call upon, invoke a higher tribunal or judge, i.e., to appeal to, e.g., Caesar (Act_25:11-12, Act_25:25; Act_26:32; Act_28:19). Followed by an inf. (Act_25:21, "demanding by appeal that" [a.t.]).

(II) To call a name upon, i.e., to name in addition, to surname with a duplicate acc. (Mat_10:25, UBS; Sept.: Num_21:3; Jdg_6:32, the simple verb ekálesen). In the mid., in 1Pe_1:17, "if ye call him your Father" (a.t. [cf. Jer_3:19]).

(A) Particularly in Mat_10:3; Luk_22:3; Act_1:23; Act_4:36; Act_10:5, Act_10:18, Act_10:32; Act_11:13; Act_12:12, Act_12:25; Act_15:22; Heb_11:16; Sept.: Dan_10:1; Mal_1:4.

(B) "Upon whom my name is called" (Act_15:17, i.e., who are called or surnamed by my name, implying property, relation, quoted from Amo_9:12; Jam_2:7; see 2Sa_12:28, the simple verb klēthḗ, Jer_14:9).

Some people call it witch craft and magic...others see it as simply obeying the word and doing what the Apostles did...regardless, they DID call ON the name and they called the name ON others for blessings. That's biblical

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Bump for the Rev...already covered by me

Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
AMP Act 15:17 So that the rest of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been invoked,
Called=epikaleomai
ep-ee-kal-eh'-om-ahee
Middle voice from G1909 and G2564; to entitle; by implication to invoke (for aid, worship, testimony, decision, etc.): - appeal (unto), call (on, upon), surname.

1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

Act 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

Jas 2:7 Are they not the ones who blaspheme the honorable name by which you were called?
Called=epikaleomai
ep-ee-kal-eh'-om-ahee
Middle voice from G1909 and G2564; to entitle; by implication to invoke (for aid, worship, testimony, decision, etc.): - appeal (unto), call (on, upon), surname.

NET bible Commentary


Zodhaites


Some people call it witch craft and magic...others see it as simply obeying the word and doing what the Apostles did...regardless, they DID call ON the name and they called the name ON others for blessings. That's biblical

All this and a tin foil hat! Man you got it going on!!!!!!