Looking back from an adult perspective at bible school, I had no problem with some rules ... the limited dates for lower classmen being one.
Of course, those were "official" dates ... it was almost impossible to monitor "unofficial" ones.
We had our share of ridiculous rules at JCM in the mid-later seventies when the school was the premier UPC bible college.
For example, males and females riding in the same car had to be in different seats. All males had to be in either the front or back seat separated from the females.
It made it kinda hard if one girl needed a ride to church with four guys and all the guys were jammed in the front seat and the girl alone in the back seat.
Most of the time this rule was ignored and rightfully so.
It seemed the philosophy to keeping people "pure" and "holy" in bible school much like "ole time pentecost" in general was to throw another ridiculous rule at it until the rule book was bigger than the bible.
I've posted about this before: I find it amusingly ironic that pentecostal conservatives like to compare themselves to political conservatives.
When really as far as the "create a new rule/law every day" philosophy is dead-on parallel to the radical political left throwing money at every new problem:
And whereas "liberal" pentecostals philosophy of "teach principle and let every man follow God according to a good conscience" is classic Reagan-Buckley conservatism where individual rights are king:
The radical "ole time pentecost" wing of modern day pentecostalism preaches and practices the political philosophy NOT of Ronald Reagan, William Buckley and Richard Nixon ... but they preach and practice the political philosophy of Barbara, Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore and Hillary Clinton.
We are governed by those who are the most easily offended. According to the Scripture, it's the ones who are most easily offended who are the "weakest" in faith.
So, my question is, why are we allowing ourselves to be governed by the weakest among us? Shouldn't we find some brothers and sisters who are strong in faith and follow their example?
Oh, I get it... that means there would be no one for us to follow to Tulsa come January. The weakest and most easily offended are leading that charge.
This is one of the best posts I have seen on any forum.
For what it's worth, I attended the same bible college as Kutless. I put up with the same teachers. I saw some of the same foolishness that has been mentioned by others. I learned what NOT to do, in ministry, from Gateway.
We had a female instructor who decided that the school was full of demons. So she roused all of the females from their beds late one night (all of them clothed only in pj's) and led them around the outside of the school in a sort of Pentecostal exorcism.
We had a female instructor who decided that the school was full of demons. So she roused all of the females from their beds late one night (all of them clothed only in pj's) and led them around the outside of the school in a sort of Pentecostal exorcism.
That makes about as much sense as the church in one state that taught its people they have demon pockets on the church property. I don't know what a demon pocket is, but I don't think there is one on our church property.
Looking back from an adult perspective at bible school, I had no problem with some rules ... the limited dates for lower classmen being one.
Of course, those were "official" dates ... it was almost impossible to monitor "unofficial" ones.
We had our share of ridiculous rules at JCM in the mid-later seventies when the school was the premier UPC bible college.
For example, males and females riding in the same car had to be in different seats. All males had to be in either the front or back seat separated from the females.
It made it kinda hard if one girl needed a ride to church with four guys and all the guys were jammed in the front seat and the girl alone in the back seat.
Most of the time this rule was ignored and rightfully so.
RandyWayne [My wife attended bible school in Springfield, MO for the AoG and the rules were nearly as strict! In fact while attending, her mother died, and they only allowed her one weekend to come back home for her funeral. When she "disobeyed" the next couple, they kicked her out.]
It seemed the philosophy to keeping people "pure" and "holy" in bible school much like "ole time pentecost" in general was to throw another ridiculous rule at it until the rule book was bigger than the bible.
I've posted about this before: I find it amusingly ironic that pentecostal conservatives like to compare themselves to political conservatives.
When really as far as the "create a new rule/law every day" philosophy is dead-on parallel to the radical political left throwing money at every new problem:
And whereas "liberal" pentecostals philosophy of "teach principle and let every man follow God according to a good conscience" is classic Reagan-Buckley conservatism where individual rights are king:
The radical "ole time pentecost" wing of modern day pentecostalism preaches and practices the political philosophy NOT of Ronald Reagan, William Buckley and Richard Nixon ... but they preach and practice the political philosophy of Barbara, Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore and Hillary Clinton.
RandyWayne [I have been saying this for years! I noticed quite some time ago, the nearly identical correlation between the UC right of the church (of ANY organization) and the loony left of world politics. Both ultimately seek control and power. Both will be far more willing to support false doctrine or beliefs if it ultimately helps with other goals within the organization, the big one being simply control. An analogy would be the lefts support of actions which HURT something for the express purpose of being able to offer a "fix" for a certain voting block. An example in the church would UC failing to raise a voice to the "magic hair doctrine" even though most disagree with it, because it furthers their goal to "keep their women" in control.]
Looking back from an adult perspective at bible school, I had no problem with some rules ... the limited dates for lower classmen being one.
Of course, those were "official" dates ... it was almost impossible to monitor "unofficial" ones.
We had our share of ridiculous rules at JCM in the mid-later seventies when the school was the premier UPC bible college.
For example, males and females riding in the same car had to be in different seats. All males had to be in either the front or back seat separated from the females.
It made it kinda hard if one girl needed a ride to church with four guys and all the guys were jammed in the front seat and the girl alone in the back seat.
Most of the time this rule was ignored and rightfully so.
It seemed the philosophy to keeping people "pure" and "holy" in bible school much like "ole time pentecost" in general was to throw another ridiculous rule at it until the rule book was bigger than the bible.
I've posted about this before: I find it amusingly ironic that pentecostal conservatives like to compare themselves to political conservatives.
When really as far as the "create a new rule/law every day" philosophy is dead-on parallel to the radical political left throwing money at every new problem:
And whereas "liberal" pentecostals philosophy of "teach principle and let every man follow God according to a good conscience" is classic Reagan-Buckley conservatism where individual rights are king:
The radical "ole time pentecost" wing of modern day pentecostalism preaches and practices the political philosophy NOT of Ronald Reagan, William Buckley and Richard Nixon ... but they preach and practice the political philosophy of Barbara, Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore and Hillary Clinton.
Timlan,
You have spoken a great truth here. It is ironic that people like me are considered "liberal" within the paradigm of old time Pentecost when the true paralell to politics would have me the conservative and conservative old time Pentecostals the liberal Democrats.
Has it ever been explained why they're calling it a "summit"? The usual meaning of the term "summit meeting" is for leaders of various contingents (heads of state, e.g.), who are often at odds with each other over something, to get together and try to work out their differences.
I don't get the impression that this is the case for the Apostolic Summit.
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That makes about as much sense as the church in one state that taught its people they have demon pockets on the church property. I don't know what a demon pocket is, but I don't think there is one on our church property.
Demon pockets might be where the ornery, rebellious saints sit.
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This is one of the best posts I have seen on any forum.
For what it's worth, I attended the same bible college as Kutless. I put up with the same teachers. I saw some of the same foolishness that has been mentioned by others. I learned what NOT to do, in ministry, from Gateway.
We had a female instructor who decided that the school was full of demons. So she roused all of the females from their beds late one night (all of them clothed only in pj's) and led them around the outside of the school in a sort of Pentecostal exorcism.
Gotta love unaccredited colleges!
Man, I have gotta get dumber in my posts, I posted a whole series of posts based on Romans 14 about this very issue, Apostolic Conservatives are the equivalent of the offended more often, weaker brethren, the liberals are the stronger ones in that they enjoy more liberty.
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We are governed by those who are the most easily offended. According to the Scripture, it's the ones who are most easily offended who are the "weakest" in faith.
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