Is Acts 2:38 your god?

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I will defend the truth of the salvation message. Repentence, Water Baptism in the name of Jesus, and the infilling of the HG.

It seems at times that is all the UPC has to offer.

Then many of these folks then move onto other churches.

There needs to be more application preaching so folks first, second, third and next generation Apostolic folks know more than how to quote Acts 2:38.

Many of them by my own account after knowing many folks over the years in the largest churches.

Can't explain what they know and why.

The salvation message is for the sinner.

For the most part the preacher has left the saint in the pew....

You forget that other churches sometimes have little to offer, and as a result, lose members to the UPC.

This isn't just a salvation message. It is a reminder and a promise that when we sin we have an advocate, the Holy Ghost...it shows us that we have a way of escape and forgiveness...

Alice can find anything about the org. to disdain...use an offbeat example from someone who is controversial in the org. to use the broad brush...what a foolish way to spend one's time...

[IAintMovin]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Those that are extrabiblical ... and unbiblical as measures that define God and His people.

I had to leave last night, I will give an answer to this question later today, but sir I do not need you answering my questions, that is rude and uncalled for, along with being the wrong answer from what I would give. Please when you decide to speak for others that you THINK YOU KNOW THE ANSWER leave me out of your list to answer for, for you will probably, as you were this time, be wrong.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

You forget that other churches sometimes have little to offer, and as a result, lose members to the UPC.

This isn't just a salvation message. It is a reminder and a promise that when we sin we have an advocate, the Holy Ghost...it shows us that we have a way of escape and forgiveness...

Alice can find anything about the org. to disdain...use an offbeat example from someone who is controversial in the org. to use the broad brush...what a foolish way to spend one's time...

Opinion processed. Love the org. Sicked and tired of the FRINGE right thinking they have a monopoly on TRUTH.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

In a captivating message at the 2007 BOTT, Jeff Arnold, a solid PAJCer, and a favorite preacher of mine, remarked that many within the movement have not moved beyond Acts 2:38 and Knowing the book.

He went as far to exhort the listeners that many in the movement don't really KNOW GOD.

One interesting quote from the message and I paraphrase is .....

"You are married to doctrine and have divorced youself from Deity."

What say ye of this message? I will post audio of the message later.

Have some made Acts 2:38 and standards THE MESSAGE ... while Jesus is sitting on the outside looking in????


Just asking a question ....

This phenomenon of getting so focused on one or two specific doctrines in the Bible that one fails to move on to growing in one's knowledge of and relationship with God is not limited to the circumstance you've described.

If one accepts "Acts 2:38" as the means whereby one obeys the gospel call then that is merely the process of stepping through the open door and into the Church. It isn't enough to just step through the door, one has to go on from there to take one's proper place in the Church and to grow in one's relationship with God. After reading your post, I was thinking about Hebrews 5:12 through 6:3 (ESV), "For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about washings*, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits."

*The KJV says "baptisms" here.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by IAintMovin

I had to leave last night, I will give an answer to this question later today, but sir I do not need you answering my questions, that is rude and uncalled for, along with being the wrong answer from what I would give. Please when you decide to speak for others that you THINK YOU KNOW THE ANSWER leave me out of your list to answer for, for you will probably, as you were this time, be wrong.

IAM ... Rude because I opined??

[IAintMovin]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

IAM ... Rude because I opined??

Your opinions are fine, your post was rude in that you attempted, very poor attempt, to answer for me.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Why, Dear Daniel, did you "simply pose questions" of such an insulting nature?
To suggest that Acts 2:38 believers and adherents may be idolaters?

Who is divisive?

Your camp brought this whole issue to the fore and won't let it go. If you don't want divisiveness, quit talking about things you know we vehemently disagree on.

Now, go back and actually read his post instead of reading into it.

Note the following:

"that many within the movement have not moved beyond Acts 2:38 and Knowing the book." Show me where this is of "an insulting nature." Whether the statement is true or not is subject to debate; if you disagree with it then provide evidence to support your disagreement or, at the very least, ask him to provide evidence to prove the veracity of the statement.

"He went as far to exhort the listeners that many in the movement don't really KNOW GOD.

One interesting quote from the message and I paraphrase is .....

'You are married to doctrine and have divorced youself from Deity.'"

Show me where this is of "an insulting nature."

Finally, he asked the question, "Have some made Acts 2:38 and standards THE MESSAGE ... while Jesus is sitting on the outside looking in?" Notice that this is a question. By your own question "To suggest that Acts 2:38 believers and adherents may be idolaters?" it seems you are suggesting that he has evil motives - or at the very least that you are so married to Acts 2:38 as the end-all and be-all of your faith you are insulted that he would even dare to ask his question.

At some point, one needs to move beyond Acts 2:38, beyond entering the door of the sheepfold, and onto maturity as described in Hebrews 5:12 through 6:3?

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by IAintMovin

Your opinions are fine, your post was rude in that you attempted, very poor attempt, to answer for me.

BREATH JIM BREATH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

ACTS 2:38 is not the truth,it is a truth that points us to the Great Fountain Of Truth,The Lord Jesus Christ.

Much like being the process of entering the door of the sheepfold. At some point you have to actually move beyond the doorway and take your place within the sheepfold among the other sheep.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have not had an opportunity to read this but my answer is YES!

Acts 2:38 is MY God have ye NOT read?

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the WORD WAS GOD! Acts 2:38 is the WORD correct?
There are Three that bear record in Heaven the Father-WORD-the Holy Ghost and these three are ONE!!!!!!!! The WORD includes Acts 2:38 right?

This is such blasphemy! To suggest that Jesus is merely a collection of written words given by inspiration of the Holy Ghost is to deny that Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the express image of God's person, etc.

The "Word" in John 1:1 is not to be confused with the scriptures themselves. I would have expected you of all people to know that. You seem to be equating the Bible with God Himself - as if to say the Bible is God. I would hope that is not what you believe (even if God has magnified His word even above His name).